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Tuesday, March 18, 2008

Who Lie about Xizang (Tibet) Violence and How!

Xizang terrorists raided Lasha (Lhasa), they killed more than 10 innocent people and destroyed others' properties. But western media called such a terror a "peaceful" protest. Ridiculous, isn't it?

Many western madia simply say: People died in the protest. This implicitly tells their audience or readers that Chinese government killed protests. Do they dare mention who died? who attacked whom? and who killed whom? Amazing, isn't it?

Other than that, they distorted the facts by using pictures from violence in other countries and commented as what happened in China.

The terror event caused a lot life and property lose for China. But China gained alot.

First of all, Chinese are united now. That's the biggest gain we had in this individualism era. China are still China, we are united before any crisis and enemies. You can see Chinese comments anywhere. Most of them are supporting government. Some are even organizing protesting in Canada and maybe some European countries. This is a very impressive progress.

Secondly, western media's real face is exposed to Chinese and other readers. This is very important for China. Most of us now know western media are simply liar about China. There is no such a media freedom at all. They torture the truth and mislead readers. On the contrary, Chinese media are more reliable knowledge resources. Naive Chinese will not dance with the western propaganda machines any more. Recalling 1989 event when I was a college participant in so-called student movement, Chinese students trusted only western lies. But now, things changed. Chinese students have a clear picture of western propaganda machinese and will think independently. China will be more united and advance without disturbing from outside.

I do have complains to our government. It shows too much mercies to the terrorists. Criminals must be punished on the scene no matter who they are, which religion they believe. People's lives are equal, people's properties are precious. Murders must be killed. That's the eternal law that our Chinese have abided for 5000 years.

Now, I can show who lie about Xizang (Tibet) violence and how they did. Enjoy the eye-opening pictures for you. You are welcome to copy this images and paste to anywhere.

You can click the image to get big ones.


Germany N-TV channel: The right side are real Chinese policemen. The left side actually happened in Nepal.



USA Washington Post: It used the Nepal police to show what happened in China.



Germany Bild-Zeitung: It used picture from Nepal again. But it says it happened in China.



Another lie from Germany Bild-Zeitung: It used picture from Nepal again. But it says it happened in China.




Ok, this is about notorious USA CNN, a famous liar with most advanced techonology in this world. Apparently it is more cunning than others. The left side picture was used by CNN. It is a real picture from Lasha, BUT, it was deliberately cut off from a larger one (Shown on the right side). The part CNN used dropped a hint to its readers that a "peaceful protest" was crushed by Chinese police. Actually, the original picture shows that rioters were attacking police. Interesting, isn't it? Those stupid Germany media and Washington Post should learn some from CNN. CNN is the No. 1experienced liar the leading propagator on this planet. CNN stands for "Cheating News Network".



This is the lie from Germany RTL TV channel. It used the picture from Nepal again. But it says that's from China.



Here is the video from Germany Spiegel. The video actually was taken from Nepal again. That's brave nepal police were taking appropriate and necessary action aginst those terrorists. But Spiegel says that's China.



This is the lie from BBC. Where is the heavey military presence? Ambulance is the heavey military or the med? A classical shitting from BBC that is owned by UK government.


This is Berliner Morgenpost, Germany again. That's a Chinese who was rescued by police. But the German liar say that's a protester who was arrested by police. Big ass!



From Gwermany N-TV channel. Use the video from Nepal, but the TV lied to its audiences, said it happened in China.



From Germany N24 TV channel. Same as above.



Oh, yeah, That's Fox news in US. Apparantly that happened in India. Brave Indian police was crushing terrorists. Fox is really a cunning animal.






These are screenshots of Youtube. A self-claimed free-sharing and free media. But many Chinese are complaining the deleting of their uploaded videos that tells the truth in Xizang. Youtube also manipulates counters of the videos posted by Chinese so that these videos would not be listed among the most viewed ones. Here is the screenshot. You can find the number of comments is even greater than than the number of the views. After a while, the number of comments increased by almost 1000, while the number did not change. Funny, right?

There are some other reports from Germany. But I don't have picture so far. Hope some one can provide. Thanks in advance.
1. Germany SAT1 TV channel: The picture showed that Chinese police escorted three Japanese visitors to get out of rioters. The picture came from China's CCTV. But SAT1 explained it as arrested rioters.
2. Germany ARD TV channel. It saied more than 100 protesters were killed, and then mentioned that Chinese government's number was 13 people. They simply don't say those 13 were killed by rioters.

So many lies from Germany. That maybe not strange for this world if you know the history of WWII. Mr. Adolf Hitler and Mr. Paul Joseph Goebbels were leaders elected by Germans. But that's the past glory of Germany liars. Now, it seems German should learn from US in propagating. The student scores much higher than its teacher now. German obviously leads in lie by numbers, but CNN alone beats them all in quality and innovation. Hurry up, Germany!

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371 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you for showing this.

1:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you to let the world know how those media works

2:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for doing this. keep it up.

3:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Spiegel, one of the largest media in Germany, used the same fake video:
http://www.spiegel.de/video/video-28333.html

Shame on German media!

3:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Western medias have become a joke in China after what VOA has done in Tiananmen Square Event in 1989!

4:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shame on some western media!!

4:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are completely wrong.
Please see the original news and pictures.

4:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Unfortunately, You are completely wrong.

For example:
Washington post notes that:
"Security forces tackle demonstrators during a pro-Tibet protest outside the U.N. headquarters in Patan, Nepal" for that photo you post.

5:09 PM  
Blogger yenite said...

It is awesome!

5:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Unfortunately, You are completely wrong."

Did you find the same page the auther mentioned?

5:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"You are completely wrong"

"completely"?

CNN, BILD, NTV etc....

yes they did that shit "completely"

WTF!

6:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd like to say something about the picture on CNN, if you look closely, the comment under the picture says "Tibetans throw stones at army vehicles as a car burns on a street in the capital lhasa". I guess, the original picture is too wide so CNN has to cut it to fit.

6:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What a 'smart' cut by a schmuck!

8:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you for telling us the truth about Lhasa terrorist attack. Shame on the western propaganda machines. The good thing is that they're discrediting themselves over the years. A prominent example is that 20 years ago, most Chinese students would believe VOA news, but now it's literally a dirty word.

The only motive for the terrorists to launch the attack was to make a scene and say China can't effectiveny rule the province. They are cheating themselves, though. However, it's funny to see those China haters got so excited and, once again, started to blame China. I have to ask the question: Who stole their conscience and humanity? Why do they hate China so much without reason? Are they really sane when Washingtonpost.com and its German follower use faked/PS'ed pictures to cheat their own fellow Americans or Germans? What's wrong in their mentality?

It's important to let the brainwashed know what truth is. It's even more important to let the terrorists know there is law. Justice must be done; the 10 innocent Chinese victims will not die in vain. We need a strong leadership to reinforce law and order in the province, which millions of Chinese people, including the ethnic Tibetans, have made it their home.

8:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well done! I've quoted you. And let's find more of these lies.

9:05 PM  
Blogger A Man Devoting to Protect the Animals said...

We are in the same great family FOREVER and nobody can divide us!!

12:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Washington Post did said that's Nepal. But they only gave that out when you click on the image to find the details about the image so they actually hide that up. If you only look at the news itslf,these's no annotation for the picture. The editors are playing tricks there. Shame on them.

12:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

keep it up.Thank you to let the world know how those media works.

2:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you for the good work.
I have seen many mistakes or lies on the German TV too, but I could not keep records of them. I appreciate it that you collected these proofs here. The media should be free, that is right, but that does not mean they should all make the same lies for some purposes.

2:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

bravo

4:32 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So instead of the media bias we are to believe your biassed opinions?

Don't you think both sides are guilty of misappropriating facts to suit their arguement?

5:11 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From long long ago(yuan dynasty) Tibet was a part of China. Anybody who don't believe these, you can search all the history book(not written by China). All the western countries just don't want to see China become a well developed country. All the Chinese will united this time and never ever believe west media, accompanying our country to get throught this difficult time.

6:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If western media is the same as china to use the misappropriating facts to affect their reader, do you think the western world have right to criticise china for keeping news 'freedom' and 'justice'?

If you western people believe that most chinese are fooled by their media which are controlled by government, how you can believe you are not fooled by media of your western contries?

6:32 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

According to Western standard of morality, a Nobel Peace Prize shoud again be issued and bestowed to the leader of the Tibetan mobs.

7:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

GREAT JOB!!! thanks for your time and effort!

8:53 AM  
Anonymous Dave said...

WELL DONE! I AM A WESTERNER AND AM APPALLED AT THE BIAS IN THE MEDIA.

IF PEOPLE WERE KILLED AND PLACES BURNED IN ANOTHER COUNTRY, WOULD IT BE ANY DIFFERENT? NO.

LOOK AT THE 1999 WTO PROTESTS IN SEATTLE.

10:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

thanks for the post

12:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good job, brovo!!!!!
Many many thanks!!!!

12:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow......
unbelievable.........

3:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

check this link

the picture used by CNN also used by BBC

http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/ws/thread.jspa?forumID=5709

LIAR

To whom claimed that the original picture is too big to be shown by CNN and BBC:

my two years old son how to reduce the size of a picture proportional . Can you tell CNN/BBC that my son would like to teach CNN/BBC how to do it for free?

5:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a so-called 'westener', I've lived 20 years in China and speak fluent Chinese. The Chinese media are NOT reliable, simply because they are embedded and don't have freedom. (and believe me, I can tell after seeing with my own eyes things happening in China never been reported on newspaper) But also foreign media, they are searching for the 'shocking news and pictures' , they don't know the situation in Tibet. Instead of blaming the 'western media', if I was Chinese I would be thinking why did this happen , is there any way to solve the situation? Stop blaming Cia,US, Europe and let the glorious country of China find a solution.

5:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi I am living in Canada. In this country the right-wing media is also very excited about the turmoil happened in Tibet recently.
CBC radio aired an telephone interview with the Chinese Embassador Mr. LU SHU-MIN earlier today and flooded him with accusations and blamings about the situation in Tibet. I am very disappointed with Mr. Lu's response. If I were him, I would have told the CBC interviewer to check with their lying media and just tell the listeners what happened in Toronto Chinese Consulate and peel off the disguise of these so-called "peaceful protesters".
Thanks.

6:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for those Information but anyway in this Tibet's Story: no one is innocent and no one must use violence to be heard or respected (both Tibetans and Chinese) but sometimes people can't stand pressure anymore and all this awful story happens and is continuing in Tibet. Open dialogue!!!

11:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

well done and thanks for bring up the truth.

11:41 PM  
Blogger filer said...

Considering all the obvious, misinformed crap you posted below this post I have a lot of trouble taking this seriously.

11:43 PM  
Blogger filer said...

Lol! I cannot believe I am defending fox of all news organizations.

The actual tag for the picture on the fox news web site in America is not "Chinese Troops Parade Handcuffed Tibetan Prisoners in Trucks" as you claim. It is "March 15: Indian police drag a Tibetan protester outside the Chinese Embassy in New Delhi, India."

I don't know if you whited out that tag for the photo or if it's a problem with the chinese filters for the web site but I now cannot take anything I read on this web site seriously.

12:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

THANK YOU very much for bringing us such true pictures. For your hard efforts and time to get such proofs, think yopu should the honour of true media award 2008.

1:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i checked some of the pictures in german media...and the ones i checked clearly stated that they were from india or nepal.
no lies as far as i checked!

3:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

this is really really helpful!
thank you so much!

1:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi,
I checked the german Images and N-TV reports and haven't found any error/lies until now. Even the article of the BILD wasn't a lie (and they aren't allowed to call themselves a newspaper anymore, because their articles are in more than 50 per cent false.).The Fox article claiming that their were demonstrations in India are also true (these were the ones that started the whole thing.). To the picture in the Berliner Morgenpost. How can you determine whether this person is rescued or whether he's taken in custody? All these use of pictures and videos of the Nepal demonstrations shows only how the Chinese government tries to censor (such a hard word for it.) what gets to the standard western citizen.

And damn after over 50 years of peacefully protest against China have the Tibetians the right to take violent actions against China. And no. I don't believe anything western media says nor do I believe what apparently censored Chinese media says.

Benjamin

6:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh I forgot something:

Please, Please, Please! Don't mention all the time this fascism thing 50 years ago. Modern Germans are maybe the most vigor opponents of racism and fascism in the whole world and it's going on the nuts of almost every German to get accused for this shit that wasn't even backed up by a majority of the German population (Hitler never got a majority in parliament.).

6:55 PM  
Blogger Cindy said...

Benjamin,
Even though the pictures taken out of Nepal had been identified in the actual story/captioned, the headlines of these stores usually scream TIBET. So it's natural that many people assume that they were Chinese police. As for the Berliner Morgenpost pix, the man was definitely being rescued because he's Han. This is apparent from his physical features and clothings. I'm sure you can tell a German away from an Italian, even though most Chinese probably can't.

I'm it's precisely because of this guilt over Holocaust that the German media have the most biased reporting of this riot.

2:48 AM  
Blogger Cindy said...

Sorry, it should read:
I think it's precisely because of this guilt over the Holocaust that the German media have the most biased reporting of this riot.

2:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The fact is that few and few Chinese people both in China and overseas, won't believe at all western media. Anyone wondering why, then I urge you to recall how western media has reported in following events
- Kosovo issue
- modern China
- Irak war
- this Tibetan event now

Few and few Chinese will believe western democracy, due to your own reasons. So CNN/BBC, just go away.

3:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Western guys - Da Lai and these rioters in Tibet don't represent Tibetans. The normal people living in Tibet are the people.
Da Lai is just a wolf wearing sheep skin. He is the boss of the feudalist society in old Tibet.

3:43 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

@Cindy:

I can't distinguish a Han from a Tibetian and I think this would apply to almost every Western who hasn't too much knowledge of Chinese ethnics.
To your second point. I explained it in the last sentences in my previous posting. China is blocking the free press in Tibet so there isn't any chance for any major western News agency to get pictures of the demonstrations. The only pictures and videos they are showing that are from Tibet directly are taken by a tourists who were accidentaly in Lhasa. Reporters who where in Tibet were guarded by the People Liberations Army out of Tibet "for their security". There is no possibility to create "real" news for a news agency without having at least some pics. And if they don't have one from Tibet they are using ones from other parallel demonstrations.
You accuse Western media of false Reporting and pictures after the Chinese government've thrown their reporters out of Tibet. Man thats completely double-think.

Benjamin

PS: Nice to see here somebody who is able to discuss on some higher niveau instead of saying simply Tibetian protesters are terrorists (The difference between terrorists and liberation fighters is only the point of view.).

4:31 AM  
Blogger elodia said...

@Benjamin or anyone who's wondering about the Berliner Morgenpost:

you can watch this video:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=uSQnK5FcKas
at around 4:04

I'm sure the footage can also be found in other youtube videos. Sorry too lazy to find more. :)

7:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Someone wrote:
"I'd like to say something about the picture on CNN, if you look closely, the comment under the picture says "Tibetans throw stones at army vehicles as a car burns on a street in the capital lhasa". I guess, the original picture is too wide so CNN has to cut it to fit."

Then you tell me, why on earth has CNN cut out the left-half of the photo, giving you something not showing the stone-throwing? I doubt the editors are that stupid.

8:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can gladly teach any CNN editor how to shrink the picture in Paint w/in 1 minute. That is no excuse~

I wonder what Nancy Pelosi was thinking when she asked China to stop its actions in Tibet. Really, what do you expect a government to do when there are TERRORISTS burning and killing its citizens just because they are not ethnically Tibetan (many of them have lived there for decades), to just sit back and enjoy the show?
Is that what the American does when we were attacked by Terrorists on 9-11?

If anyone think those terrorists' acts are justified then...you know what? The Jewish people should go and slaughter every single German looking person they see. The British and French should finish each other off. The American Indians and Polynesians should kill all the Caucasian people they see~

8:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

@Benjamin.

You said "The difference between terrorists and liberation fighters is only the point of view." Are you implying that we should regard the Talibans as liberation fighters?

Here's the definition of terror I got off of the Webster dictionary "violent or destructive acts (as bombing) committed by groups in order to intimidate a population or government into granting their demands." It looks to me a perfect description of what those Tibetan terrorists did in Tibet and Chengdu...and in fact, what they are still doing in other places because according to the Western world, it's a disregard of human rights and freedom for our government to prosecute those terrorists.

Let me ask you this then, what does that mean? Are you all saying that while those terrorists are humans, the innocent victims are not? Therefore they are not subjected to the same standard of "human rights" and it's ok if they were slaughtered and burnt?

8:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are doing a great job in documenting those news manipulations by western media. There is a great followers of Tibet independence, I think majority of them are mislead by those manipulated media. If the true gets out, people will different opinions.

The problem is that those media continue to lie to the public, so an even greater effort is needed to get the truth out.

9:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Quote:
You said "The difference between terrorists and liberation fighters is only the point of view." Are you implying that we should regard the Talibans as liberation fighters?
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Uhm yes that's right. As they were fighting the Sowjet invaders in the 80's with the support of the United States were they noble freedom fighters. Even in my German history book which was printed in the middle of the 90's is still a picture of "Taliban freedom fighters defending their country against Sowjet invaders.".

And this example is completely applicable to the Tibetian demonstrants/rioters/liberation fighters. For YOU are they terrorists. For a majority of the population of western countries are they freedom fighters. It's completely dependent of the view.

Freedom/Liberation fighters is only an euphemism for terrorists. the German RAF were for the West-German administration terrorists and for every socialist country liberation fighters. Mao and his comrades were regarded as terrorists by the administration of royal China before the revolution, now are they liberation fighters. These two words are completely interchangable.

Benjamin

9:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

@Benjamin, and all those who shout free tibet...
Here is the view from A typical Chinese PoV, keep an open eye and heart, i will try to make it simple as possible for those who are historically challenged.

Some historical backgrounder first..
Back in later19/early20th century, China was falling apart, Good-ole Western Europeans/Japan were invading/assaulting/carvingup/extraterritoriality /forcingdrugsdownChinesethroatand callitfreetrade etc etc,you know the standard colonial stuff. Tibet was an isolated theocratic feudal state (state with in a state) under the rule of imperial China. But because of the good-ole westerners were doing all the good work, (btw, Taiwan/Hongkong/Macau etc had the same fate around the same time), Tibet had no rule from Central authority. Freedom! (or I should say Freedom for the tibetan upper crust)

- a diverge here:
when the imperial authority was first overthrown in 1911, the first flag of Repulic of China had 5 colors on it. Guess what does the 5 color represent? Han,Manchurian,Mongolian-Hui-Zang.
Zang = Tibet.
----

But 1940s comes around and China finally got their act together. Now from the perspective of the average Chinese back in 40-50s, Communism isn't a bad word. It was actually what they wanted, they voted(with their guns)!. Now. When Chinese army was reasserting its control over just another province (in the eyes of Chinese nation) the upper crust got scared. They want their freedom to hack the hands of their serfs, not some central gov't's to tell them not hack the hands of their serfs.

so their private armies tried to fight. of course was brushed aside.

So then what does Dalai & co do? ran away to India, And some organization called CIA (some one please tell me what those 3 letters stood for) comes around, and start to training guerrilla fighters for him. mean while he went back to China for negotiations and finally head the government in Tibet. 1959 rolls around, a fullout started. He fled out of China to india, where he resides today.

So yes, he was fighting and talking peace at same time ever since 1951. oh and while 1970s CIA wiped its hands clean, an NGO supported by TaxDollars (isn't that oxymoronic, a NGO that supported bt gov't $) who happen to started by some former CIA/state department people, which I am sure they had no political connection with the former employers, started to give $ to His Holliness Dalai Lama and his organizations. Which, I am sure, when they had very good intentions.

Now, I don't know about you, but if some westerners who invading/assaulting/carvingup/extraterritoriality /forcingdrugsdownChinesethroatand callitfreetrade just not long ago; who financed and trained guerrilla fighters for the explicit purpose of sowing discord, turns around and says Peaceful Dialogue and FREE TIBET; And His Holliness Dalai Lama turned around and also start to chant non-violence/Dialogue/Autonamy,
would that give the average chinse alittle reason to question the motive of these people?

Now don't get me wrong. HHDL is a great man. I am sure. But Some how, I don't think those that are power to be in China, (or the average Chinese on the street have very much confidence of the stuff coming out of his mouth.

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btw It's Tibetans not Tibetians.

I.E.

12:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BTW,
I too, agree with the FREE TIBET crowd.

I just think it would have been nicer when they shout it 50 years ago, when the first united and coherent Chines central government in the last 200 years finally freed Tibet Region From the oppressive rules of the monastaries and the Lamas.

---
Some thoughts, last night when
I was listening to the 'Have your say' on BBC (yes I am brain washed too), The Rep from HHDL says the past is past and they wish to move forward. I think he is right to do that HHDL has way too much Dirty Laundry, if he airs them with as much vigor as he airs his peaceful dialogue stance his credibilty in the Media would be sunk.

12:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well-done

12:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi again,

I'm neither pro-Tibet nor pro-Chinese I only think that a majority of people in a geographically and cultural seperated part of the world should be allowed to gain their independence. No matter whether this area was part of it's main country for thousands of years. Tibet was a de-facto part of China and the Lamas ruled with the support of the Chinese government but things are constantly changing. China hasn't the right to rule Tibet because they replaced the former oppressing, inhuman administration with their own not-exactly-so-inhuman administration. Thats completely non-sense. It's like saying that the Britains should leave GB and move back to north-west Germany were they came from in the 11th century. Things are changing even for the "great empire of China".
And thinking that the old religious dictatorship of the Dalai Lama would be in place in short time after China released Tibet in independence you're completely delusional. Only telling me that Tibet doesn't deserve independence because their government was a dictatorship before China invaded it is unreasonable.
The're only demanding their freedom, like the Kosovo, the former Sovjet nations, all these small African nations, Germany in 19th century and the United States before.
If Bavaria would declare independence tomorrow I would appreciate that exactly like I'll appreciate the independece of Tibet. I'm completely neutral. I would argue in exact the same way if Bavaria, Colorado or Scotland would declare their independence.

Benjamin

2:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

@Benjamin.

You are living in the cloud, my friend.

If you are truely completely neutral, you should have not supported either side in this conflict. By supporting independence and claim yourself to be neutral is smack full of hypocracy.

>And thinking that the old religious dictatorship of the Dalai Lama would be in place in short time after China released Tibet in independence you're completely delusional.

Think again, without Outside interference, Dalai Lama would have done the same thing. The power base of Dalai lama is still the monastaries.

>If Bavaria would declare independence tomorrow I would appreciate that exactly like I'll appreciate the independece of Tibet. I'm completely neutral. I would argue in exact the same way if Bavaria, Colorado or Scotland would declare their independence.


By your absurd logic, then any one can buy a 50 acres of land in middle of Germany and declare independence. But your tax dollar supported government will definitely not tolerate that, wouldn't they. So if you really do held the belief and ready to act up on it, why don't you stop paying taxes first. Because the your taxes supports the biggest antithesis of your beliefs.
So, Please, don't use other situations as a tial of your beliefs. Put the money( literally) where your mouth is start at home first. And stop contributing to other people's sufferings just because you want to rationalize your irrational beliefs.

I.E.

6:59 PM  
Blogger old hack said...

dont blame the chinese government. they're doing the best they can with what they got just like anybody else. They've got a population problem and they're doing their best to fix it.
Ya know maybe if we weren't exploiting them so much by making them MAKE EVERYTHING for 5 cents an hour then maybe this shit wouldn't be happening.

7:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Damn Nazi German Media, they are the perfect students of Gobbels.

10:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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By your absurd logic, then any one can buy a 50 acres of land in middle of Germany and declare independence. But your tax dollar supported government will definitely not tolerate that, wouldn't they.

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Read my posing again. Start thinking. I said geographical (I think Tibet is from the rest of China geographical separated) and cultural (The culture of the rest of China isn't based on a religious dictatorship.) separated. If I would buy 50 acres of land somewhere and declare independence these two factors wouldn't apply.
I claim to be neutral in a absolutist manner. You're claiming that western people are biased toward the Chinese government. I'm not. As I said before would I argue in exactly the same way if any other part of the world would fight for independence.

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Think again, without Outside interference, Dalai Lama would have done the same thing. The power base of Dalai lama is still the monastaries.
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But there is interference from outside. You're using would's and maybe's. I would assume that the power you're claiming the Dalai Lama has is far exxagerated by western media. This is even obvious when you see that the protests weren't peaceful while the Dalai Lama begged the people to be nice to each other.

Benjamin

PS: I don't think the German government is supported by tax Dollars (why should we?):

3:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>Read my posing again. Start thinking. I said geographical (I think Tibet is from the rest of China geographical separated) and cultural (The culture of the rest of China isn't based on a religious dictatorship.) separated. If I would buy 50 acres of land somewhere and declare independence these two factors wouldn't apply.

Oh where does the igorance end...

Where do you draw the line? Geographically.
Did you know in western CHina there are vast swath of territories where Tibetan and Han and Hui and Mongols intermingle for hundreds of years? why do you say it is seperate? it is not. How do you propose to seperate? Do you want another Bosnia on your hand? just to make you happy?

Culturally... it is still not.
Did you know many buildings in Forbidden Palace in Beijing, where it is the imperial seat for 2 Dynasties and 24 Emperors, All the major palace buildings are blessed with Tibetan Buddhism Scripts, alongside Taoist and Shamanist scripts?

Next to the Palace, did you know there is this big park (former imperial garden) called beihai park and in it there is this 67 meter tall white Tibetan style buddhist pagoda? it was built in the mid 1600s. So when they say Culturally they go back long way, they were not kidding.


> I claim to be neutral in a absolutist manner. You're claiming that western people are biased toward the Chinese government. I'm not. As I said before would I argue in exactly the same way if any other part of the world would fight for independence.

No, what you are saying is biased towards independence period.
No, what I claim was Chinese people do not trust Westerners period, with very good reason given the history.

>But there is interference from outside. You're using would's and maybe's. I would assume that the power you're claiming the Dalai Lama has is far exxagerated by western media. This is even obvious when you see that the protests weren't peaceful while the Dalai Lama begged the people to be nice to each other.


Outside interference...
If you have read anything from my perivous post, you would know that Chinese will have a viceral reaction everytime they read those words. because the last 150 years, western powers did plenty of "
Outside interference" in China, and they have been trying to undo the damage eversince.

As far as dalai lama goes, he has no credibilty with the Chinese. He has been saying one thing and preaching another. First in the 50s he nominally worked with the central authorities while Lead a violent active gurrella campaign (who is financed by CIA btw) at sametime, then in 70-80s where he been insighting violence in China while talking about the "middle way". (This is all documented, go on U-tube and watch those National Geographic videos.)

As far as the average Chinese(include Ethnic Han, most of Tibetan etc)are concerned he has no credibilty.


> PS: I don't think the German government is supported by tax Dollars (why should we?):

Don't tell me German Government runs on thin air.

4:24 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

@Benjamin,

Put your money where your mouth is and stop paying the taxes that finance a government is going to oppose your support of "anyone can be independent".

You stop paying taxes and then tomorrow I will by a peice of land next to you and build a fence to seperate "my country" "geographically", and culturally.

How about that? deal?

I.E,

p.s. One way to test the validity of an argument is pushing to its logical extreme.

4:32 AM  
Anonymous disenchanted said...

These are very serious misrepresentations by the media and it's good to document them. Unfortunately, by throwing Hitler and Goebbels into the discussion, you're just making a fool of yourself. It shows that you know nothing about WWII and contemporary Germany. Otherwise you'd know that you're dealing with completely different situations. For example, state controlled media in a fascist state versus private controlled media in a capitalist state. You're just using Germanys terrible fascist past for your own propaganda, which also means abusing its victims.

Some German media are lying, so to you, all Germany's people are liars. This is blind ethnocentrism at its worst.

You could also pull at least some Germans over to your side by telling them they are lied at, which certainly most of them do not like (why should they? who does?). However, by insulting them the way you do and labeling them as Nazis (which they aren't - Germans regularly are in greater numbers opposed to any military actions than any of its neighbours, the opposers forming a great majority of the population), you're achieving the opposite. It's disgusting and it's dumb.

Peace could be achieved by the people of all countries standing together against the aggressors, the liars and the warmongers in all camps. But as long as it's "country versus country", there is no chance for peace. By spreading hatred the way you do, you never foster the truth. Quite the opposite. You're just sowing more aggression - the truth's first and foremost enemy.

5:19 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

most of the media you quote is known as yellow press. yellow press often use comparable pictures if there is a lack of pictures they need. it's true that this is a doubtful method. but every refined independent western person knows about this practice of yellow press. if you look for useful german media, you should watch ARD or ZDF and read the "Zeit", the "FAZ" or "Die Welt" in printed version.

i hope, i could clear up a cultural misapprehension. :D

4:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is exicting to see who is distorting facts...

Western media showing wrong pictures on purpose? Ridiculous! Maybe there are some people in the media-offices who can't distinguish Chinese from Nepalese police uniforms, but that doesn't eleminate the fact that Chinese Government Forces are shooting down Tibetans at the moment! Nor does it eliminate the fact that Tibetan protesters beat up Han-Chinese people and burned their stores! The violence from both sides is nothing which anyone should welcome!

Besides: have you ever asked yourself why there are no good pictures of the uprising in Tibet? Right, because the Chinese Government kicked all the independant journalists out of the Tibetan region. And: Have you ever asked yourself why they should do so, if there is nothing to hide? Hmmm...

And if you are just in covering up media lies: take a look at what Chinese media is sending on the TV channels. First, they told us: none of the policeman ever carried a weapon. Yesterday they had to admit that the police shot on the protesters....

What does this tell us?
Right, don't trust the media. They are always just interpreting the realitiy in their preferred way. The Chinese and the Western media.

Further? Respect the freedom of speech! That means that anyone can express their opinion freely, whether Chinese, Tibetan or European. That also means that Tibetans must have the right to stage a (peacefull!) protest. And this is denied so often for them. Freedom also means, that they are allowed to practice their Tibetan culture whenever they want, and not that they are put in jail for this as it happend so often since the Chinese rule over Tibet.
And this call for freedom and humanity also includes all the Chinese dissidents that have been put into prisons, 'ankang's or sentenced to death only because they had an opinion opposing the government's opinion.

All those who distinguish people by their origin or nationality and all those who call for death penalties and for the standalone-rule of whatever kind of race or country, are the really dangerous people.
And those are the people that have never understood, what true freedom of believe, what freedom of speech, what humanity and tolerance means.

6:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

At the Anonymous above who posted:

"It is exicting to see who is distorting facts..."

Statements like..."Chinese Government Forces are shooting down Tibetans at the moment! " shows how much the daily feed of Western media crap you have taken in.

>Besides: have you ever asked yourself why there are no good pictures of the uprising in Tibet? Right, because the Chinese Government kicked all the independant journalists out of the Tibetan region. And: Have you ever asked yourself why they should do so, if there is nothing to hide? Hmmm...

CHinese don't trust the Western Media to be fair and balanced period. If the western media would care to do simple fact check before putting those "The Nepalnese police beating protesters" wire photos (they are wire photos btw, which means they came with captions that says exactly what they are) as "Chinese beating Tibetans", they would have know the photo was wrongly captioned. Instead they went along with the herd and just assumed this kind of nasty behavior must be "those evil chinese". If a media fails this very simple test of BASIC FACTUAL REPORTING. Not one , not two, but almost all of the major newsoutlets in the western media, well, what does that show? It shows the depth of Igorance and self-centered entrenced point of view in those media.

you would still call them "independant journalists"? you would, but to the average CHinese, That might as well being hogwash.


>And if you are just in covering up media lies: take a look at what Chinese media is sending on the TV channels. First, they told us: none of the policeman ever carried a weapon. Yesterday they had to admit that the police shot on the protesters....

That just shows howmuch sound bits and dilluted reporting thats going on.

The sound bit of "one of the policeman ever carried a weapon." is from the high level Tibetan Government Official (who is ethic Tibetans btw) right after the first string of mob violence. Many first hand witness accounts from tourist actually backed that assertion up quit well, go look up, plenty of first hand account there.

this sound bite:
" Yesterday they had to admit that the police shot on the protesters....", yeah, something happend before yesterday and after the first string of mob-violence.
If you have bothered to look up the report itself...
The shooting occured in Aba County in Western Sichuan, When a protester turned mob was trying to storm a police armoury. ok. now you can protest all you want. but trying to storming a police station anywhere in the world and see what happens to you.


So... Check your facts and use your head.



>And this is denied so often for them. Freedom also means, that they are allowed to practice their Tibetan culture whenever they want, and not that they are put in jail for this as it happend so often since the Chinese rule over Tibet.

more grandstandings...

Now, Free speech etc. I agree with it. But...Let me tell you a true story, that might shed light of what's going on...
in 1996 H.R. Clinton went to that women's conference in beijing, in the conference the women's group reps from Tibetan Region and Tibetan Exile group's NGOs. They were had a meeting. now the funny thing is the women from Tibetan Exile group they all spoke Fluent English , but can't speak Tibetan, But the women's Groupd rep from Tibet itself, they can't speak English but speaks Tibetan only.
So obviously the meeting was difficult. but the news conference afterwards, the Tibetan Exile Group was able to represent its views to western media present, but the local women couldn't because they spoke no English. The Western Media, of course, doesn't know any Tibetan. You can guess whose view did the Western Indepedent Fair and Balanced Media took to the print...

Also one of the video surfaced on Youtube today include a supposely local Protester speaking to the camera complaining Tibetans are fed up. Funny thing is he has an obvious Indian-English Accent.
Great stuff, make you wonder doesn't it?

My Friend, free speech some time is not the panecea. It is sad that free speech has become just another tool or excuse for solving real problems.

I.E.

8:15 PM  
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10:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What bunch of shameless Western scum-bags! China should send a nuclear bomb to Germany, USA and Britain. Never mind I am in USA myself. Willing to die for a good cause

10:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some of the people in the West are just jealous of the uprising of the Chinese. It's sad that they would do whatever they can, even distort the truth to make the Chinese look bad. Good job in showing people the truth.

From U.S.

11:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Someone has refuted some of your claims:
http://xibai.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!61248D66D376F845!2471.entry

7:08 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://xibai.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!61248D66D376F845!2471.entry

7:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HAHA, the some webs mentioned in the blog made some changes under the huge presure from Chinese communities. It was very wise for the blog that shows the screeshots.

7:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi again,

The discussion was dragged away from the main topic you're complaining about. You're complaining that western mainstream media is mostly contra Chinese and that they are using pictures which could irritate the average western citizen.

But thats free press. You can't expect them to do unbiased work when you've thrown their reporters (whether they were neutral or not is completely irrelevant.) out of Tibet. If that wouldn't have happened the reports of the major new agencies would have been far more Chinese friendly than they are now. They are telling us about hundreds of dead Tibetans because the experience from previous Chinese actions on opposition and riots is supporting this.
If the Chinese government would give them the chance to do unbiased work everything would be fine.
It's like being nasty to somebody and then expecting he's nice to you.
As long as the Chinese government gives everybody in regular periods of time the reason to be biased toward China you can't epect and/or demand to get unbiased reports.

I don't know much about the Chinese culture but the small amount of what I know seems to support my opinion that most Chinese people see their country as something like the central of the universe and that the western nations should do what China is demanding. But hey, currently is China much more dependent of Europe than reverse. And when you're dependent on somebody you have to play the game with his rules and they include essential human rights and democracy (to some amount.). You can't simply say "Buy our stuff" while the customer sees how some people are getting shot in the background. That doesn't work and you'll get further problems with the nations of this world if this attitude remains.

Benjamin

9:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

@Benjamin

Now you admit that "Free Press" is biased?

Read my story of the Women's Conference above. I don't think you get how igorant to the Chinese situation the major Foreign Press are. Today's China is not a hermit kingdom sealed from outside. hundreds of thousand of foreigners study, work, live and thrive in China, But it seems that only the press choose to print storys. Also, To cut cost, Most of the Major newspapers has cut foreign correspondant and use wire storys instead, If a major crisis erupt, they simply fly a journalist in (who has no local experienc, hardly speaks the language, but only there to lend credibility of the story) to cover it. the rest of the time what they do not know. they simply make it up. That is not good journalism. No one force them to make up storys. They did it to cut cost and sell newspapers! William Randoff Hearst did it back then, It is still going on today. That's not free press, that bad press.

> If the Chinese government would give them the chance to do unbiased work everything would be fine.

In long term (something like t -> inf), may be they would become unbiased, but in short term, It would almost be certain that more distortion would come out.
almost no one trusts them in CHina.

Oh BTW, In China, the domestic discourse is quit free, believe it or not, it is just that not many people in the western media would believe it, they simply do not read about it because they do not read Chinese! So they are not privy to the interesting conversation that lash sharp criticism to the government and automatically assumes government controls everythng. So instead they report using old stickers like communism and dictators. Simple brush to paint a very complex picture.

On the CHinsee culture, etc.
From your conversation, and countless postings on the web and newsprint, on this issue and many others, It really sounds like Western world see itself as the final arbitor of the truth, Who stuck their hand on every one else's business simply think that's right.
If we live in a global village, and your neighbor had a domestic dispute would you get involved by split their home apart? Who gives you the authority??! God?

The statements like "But hey, currently is China much more dependent of Europe than reverse.And when you're dependent on somebody you have to play the game with his rules and they include essential human rights and democracy (to some amount.)." simply shows the depth of your self-centered-ness. In the first sentence, if you exchange position of China and Europe, that will very much sound like that Qing Emperor who refused to open China to Foreign Trade in the 1700s. Funny how things have come around like that.. .
btw factually it is not true either. Export actually only account for a fraction of the economic growth. and most european government depends heavily on the East Asian Economy's to finance its government debts. Europe is far more dependent on China then you think.

"You can't simply say "Buy our stuff" while the customer sees how some people are getting shot in the background. That doesn't work and you'll get further problems with the nations of this world if this attitude remains."

Western "Free" Press biased their stories and now all of a sudden it is 100% upto the Chinese to fix it? What planet of the world are you living on my friend, what sense of right and wrong do you have... where you distort others people's views but it is the responsibility of others to solve it?

Also this is to dangerous for you to think of the world that way, If when China-Europe reverse their respective powers, would you like the Chinese to force their Confucist father-son-Emperor-Subject philosophy down your throat? Would you be like that?

Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.

I.E.

9:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi,

Of course is the free press biased. That's the whole thing about it. They are biased because the Cinese government was rude to them and didn't and don't allow them to do their work how they want. If they want to spread their opinion (that China is a the big bully next door.) into the world it's completely their problem. This phenomen is called freedom of speech.
You're telling me that the western press is ignorant but you're government is ignorant to accept opinions that are different of their own.
Your government (or no it isn't yours because it isn't even elected.) doesn't give anyone of the western press a reason to be a weeny little bit more unbiased. It is how I said above like smashing somebody in the face and demanding that he has to be nice to you. That simply doesn't work.
And I won't use these McCarthy Era words like communism (what's so bad about REAL communism?) but you can't dismiss that westerns will call the Chinese governmental system a dictatorship.
And I don't see the western society as an unfailable judge for right and wrong if there is even a "right" or "wrong". I was simply educated in a western culture and believe that such things like personal freedom, freedom of speech and human rights are essential and should be granted to everyone. I assume I would sound exactly like all these "western press is eeevil guys" here if I would've been born in China. I only held up my believes.

Benjamin

11:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For those that believe internet/press censorship does not exist in the U.S or Europe, check this out:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/24/wdutch124.xml

2:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Go read George Orwell's <1984>. Human is doomed!

9:03 PM  
Anonymous YB's Fight Against Stupidity said...

Benjamin darling,
When you were inculcated with such admirable ideals as Freedom of Speech, were you also taught that you are FREE TO LIE?
I chuckle at the pathetic attempt to whitewash Westerns lies under the "awe-inspiring" notion of FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
Your journalists are liars. Period. Do not further disgrace yourself by saying that you are FREE TO LIE.

10:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

nearly all foreign media are expelled from tibet.

what you need to do are just waiting for their mistakes and declaiming a "lie".

11:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

quote:
"nearly all foreign media are expelled from tibet.
what you need to do are just waiting for their mistakes and declaiming a "lie".
Quote

There is no excuse for lying. If you aren't there, just keep quiet. What's wrong in your mind to lie to the public?
For the sake of truth, could you please stop playing your dirty Goebbelian tricks. Thank you.

1:08 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi,

Quote
Your journalists are liars. Period. Do not further disgrace yourself by saying that you are FREE TO LIE.
Quote

You can say what you want, even when it's obviously a lie. That's Freedom of Speech. Despite the fact that your opinion is inconvenient or a lie your always allowed to express it. But nobody here seems to understand this.

Quote
There is no excuse for lying. If you aren't there, just keep quiet. What's wrong in your mind to lie to the public?
Quote

They don't lie they speculate based on assumptions. China has ended riots and peaceful demonstrations violently in previous cases and they (and me and almost everybody in the western hemisphere.) assume that China will do it this time again.
Nobody (in the western nations) knows what's happening in Tibet right now because China expelled every foreigner from Tibet. That's what I'm talking all the time about. You're demanding more or less truthfull reports while the Chinese government kicked everybody who could do it out of Tibet.
And they speculate. They even say it openly everywhere that nobody knows whats really happening and that their reports are based solely on speculations, experience and some western tourists who are coming of the mountains after some weeks of backpacking.
They could get the official reports of the Chinese government and repeat them all over again but I think everybody knows that even the educated guesses the media is doing now are more realistic than them.

Benjamin

4:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"We need a strong leadership to reinforce law and order"

after germany called this the last time, they received Adolf Hitler. When the US called that in some similar fashion, it resulted in re-election of George W. Bush...

Man, what do you want for China? A strong leader that starts the next world war?

8:31 AM  
Anonymous Mein Parteibuch said...

About the freedom to lie for the free press:

What we have seen the ast two weeks was a planned psychological warfare operation of the US against China. The Dalai Lama, who initiated the violence, is a CIA agent, paid by the US over decades.

@Benjamin
What shall a country do, when it is attacked with propaganda, and this propaganda caused already several deaths?

China has luckily managed to defend it's country from this ugly propaganda attack, and all the Chinese people here in internet digging the truth have done their part in it. Congratulations! Well done!

11:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what a whole lot of bullshit.

12:04 PM  
Blogger Honam said...

Why should we let these countries who lie about China have their participation in our Olympic Games? They don't want them in China, please stay in your barn, you are never welcome.

1:05 PM  
Anonymous YB's Fight against stupidity said...

Americans have once again displayed an admirable amount of ignorance and hypocricy.

Boy!they are bending backwards to justify lias and propaganda spread by their unethical and blood-thirsty press.

Your attempt at whitewashing your lies under such terms as "speculations" and "educated guesses" is contemptible and shameful and betrays the ignorance and hypocricy of your thinking. Lies are lies, no matter what clothes they are donning.

What we have seen here is the ultimate true face of Western press and those trying to defend its atrocities. They are lower than slimy molds. Even molds know when to act slimy. These people don't.

2:11 PM  
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3:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chinese descendents everywhere: We should start to re-construct our own image, Stop being “Passive” and “No-Comment” all the time and hide our emotions behind our daily life struggle. Be a CHINESE, no matter ‘who is’ the government now, but just not let others to shit on our Chinese Mother’s face anymore! Speak up! Be proud and let your heart be filled with fire of rational nationalism. No one will help us but Chinese ourselves. The truth is the Western world is just not happy to see that Chinese are standing up, they just can’t stand the fact that Chinese are more financially independent day after day. That rotten century old jealousy towards rich China is starting to rise up again. Do we want to experience that old hatred what once torched imperial palace and let it burn for 2 months long? Do we wish the old Opium ghost to be dragged back? Will your children be controlled, feeling less of a person and have to bow down to the Western Master? Starting today, make a difference!

5:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Vivi,
How light the way you talk about they 'lied' and no matter who is 'hurt"! Do you know there are 'Han' people and their shops out there being beaten and burnt?! ... it has nothing to do with trusting Chinese government! You suck up bitch!

5:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Basically, the western countries are very sick! because they are China-phobia patients. They hate China so they have to lie to their people continuously!

5:25 PM  
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5:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess this 'Benjamin' is wearing a lovely dark color sunglasses when comes to looking at China. I won’t blame you unless you think that Chinese, Indian or other Southeast Asian are look alike... (Here in USA, people often say things as such: Oh! You people are look alike!) What can I say? You have never been to China or Asia, I am sure. A person does not have to lie to show his (her) prejudice. This ‘Benjamin’ even may have a sincere motive; however, it won’t help the truth if your heart is kept on one side.

This is the difference between China and the West:
- 2 years ago, a very sharp American friend called me and asked for my help. He told me that the ‘… the Chinese government tried to cheat him and not to pay him for a big project he had done for them…’

Issue 1): Who is ‘Chinese Government’?
Issue 2): Why should they ‘cheat you’ and not paying?

I read all his email communications regarding his complain; I called the Chinese side enterprise and talked to the staff in charge of this ‘case’. It turned out: They are still waiting for my American friend to give them a Chinese bank account, after 3 months past!
The company staffs were still wondering why my American friend has disappeared. Due to the poor communication and cultural difference; also due to the reason that my American friend is not on their company’s usual payroll: cash is not option. They have to get out their way to get his money to be deposit in a Chinese bank account…
Question: Is CHINESE government here is cheating him? Again, is anyone cheating him? The miscommunication and misunderstanding is the evil here. What if I have never helped? Will it be a Chinese Government’s Evil Doing?
Then I helped my American friend to open a Chinese bank account then transferred all payment. Later exchanged to US dollar…happy! When the western prejudice toward China in general (in their eyes, Chinese people are all acting on behave of the government, what else? They know none of them!).
I often expressed to all my western friends: With all the respect, however, if you are not able to speak Chinese as excellent as I speak English; if you have never been to China, then shut up!

- Prince China

6:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you said: '...I have a feeling you have a bit too much 民族主义,and your idea is so old-fashioned....'

There is no such thing as ‘old fashioned” 民族主义, it is not a fashion, it is not a trend, it is in your blood, unless you are trying so hard to be part of them ( I have been there since very young and back after 20+ years of marriage) so do not tell me how you’re new fashioned, – you bourgeois wannabe. Mark my word: Chinese is still Chinese, history is always repeat it self… Any government is the same.

6:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This Vivi, your English is atrocious for someone living in the United States. Just to let you know...

7:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Vivi,

Those lies does not hurt the Chinese people? Are you shitting me? They are lying to justify (with such weak logic) Han and Muslim civilians being murdered for Gad's sake!

PS: checked out your blog out of curiosity. I suggest anyone who understand Chinese to go over and read the post about how you says that blond haired white people are automatically good looking and people who have dark hair and dark skin are automatically ugly. It's your opinion, but your tone is pretty suggestive.

9:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Benjamin,

"Your government (or no it isn't yours because it isn't even elected.) doesn't give anyone of the western press a reason to be a weeny little bit more unbiased. It is how I said above like smashing somebody in the face and demanding that he has to be nice to you. That simply doesn't work."

Do you need a fucking reason to not lie? And I don't get it, you are admitting that they are lying yet you use them as evidence for PRC wrong doing? Educated guess? So if a Jewish family disappeared in Germany and no evidence is found about what could have happened, than it's safe to assume that the government killed them? Or better yet, if something horrid happened in a Native American reservation in the US and nobody was there to collect evidence than it's safe to guess that the government did it (it's the same government too)? Go to school and learn what "educated guess" means.

The best source of information we have is what the tourist and the Economist reporter witnessed, if they are talking about how the PRC staged the whole thing I bet you'd be taking that as set-in-stone evidences.

And you obviously know very little about cultures in general with your racist comment about Chinese ethnocentrism, because guess what? Every culture thought like that 200 years ago! And some people like you still does, apparently.

9:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You know nothing about Tibet and you are just afraid that China being stronger than you

Hey, you wanna free Tibet, what the fuck do you know? Do you know Tibet was a feudal, brutal, theocracy place, where dalai and his slaveholders had 95% of the population under slavery, and they fucking pull slave's eyeball out, skin them alive or cut off their hands and feet. So go Google Tibet history, you ignorant morons. Free Tibet? It was freed by Chinese government long time ago. We are freeing the people, and the slaves in Tibet. And WTF are you trying to do? Free fucking Dalai Lama, so he can go back and continue his slavery? You know what, I don’t give a shit. China would still be stronger than you without them. Tibetans are the bottom educated people in China, Chinese government were trying to help them, build highway, now railway in the highest place of the world, so they can communicate with the outside world, and get education. What the hell can you do? Gather a bunch of ignorant people on the street and call out free Tibet, DO some actual contribution for Tibet. I’m so tired of you fucking morons, and you give dalai lama the Nobel peace award, go read more news on 14th event, it was lamas running on the street, killing people, burning down people's houses and cars, what would police in your country do if there are a group people like this?
And what would you think if they burned down your house and killed your family, and then some moron countries, and moron media saying they are peaceful, let's support them, they just want their slave back and be their wonderful slavery place again. BULLSHIT. THE TRUETH IS, IT'S NONE OF YOURS OR MINE BUSINESS ABOUT ANYTHING IN TIBET, LET TIBETANS STAND UP AND SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.

Slim
TibetIsChina.com
March 24th, 2008

1:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A side-topic: Do you all know that in London, there is a talk: about the most difficult thing nowadays is to find a Chinese Nanny!? Many upper class families want to find English speaking, well educated Chinese to be their children’ nanny, so they would grow up with a native Chinese speaking tongue. I thought I should feel pretty flattered, should I? Hum…They should ask themselves what is the reason, a well educated Chinese would be “fit” to be their nanny/servants? – I do know that Chinese servants (as a stereo type) are the most desired among the privileged class; they are neat, attentive, loyal and passive… just right for the masters’ taste …

Just kick this in as an open question for you good folks out there to think about, think HARD.

5:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To whoever knows what a chinese looks like and whoever really care about the truth. Look at the picture and the side show. This is too crazy! Since when did the media start tells lies, and make up stories from nowhere?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article3538028.ece

p.s. for whoever made this up: next time, find an indian that looks more like a chinese would be a very very good idea.

5:43 PM  
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5:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

shameless CNN, BBC, RTL and N-TV!

disgusting!

7:10 PM  
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7:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have nothing to say and I’ll just play a childish 'song game' that: China is going to kick your ass!
We’r gonna kick your ass! We’r gonna kick your ass!
We’r gonna kick your ass! We’r gonna kick your ass!
We’r gonna kick your ass! We’r gonna kick your ass!
We’r gonna kick your ass! We’r gonna kick your ass!
We’r gonna kick your ass! We’r gonna kick your ass!
We’r gonna kick your ass! We’r gonna kick your ass!

8:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What an expression! … ‘Still China is the garbage of the world!’... ??????

Where is this hatred coming from? Is it just because Chinese have said something different than what you would like to hear? Or, it because that I just don’t want to play dead?
What kind of a person are you?
What has China done to you personally?

When you talk about China - it is not an abstract term; it has people’s face and soul behind it. …whether or not China is the garbage of the world it is not up to you to judge. I certainly see that within the next 5-10 years you and your sort would beg any Chinese to give you a job and be satisfied for the mouthful you’ve got from the hand out.

Do not be so hasty to make Chinese enemy, you will need any help you can get then…

China has more than 5 thousand years of recorded civilizations. What is your ancestry? When did you started to use soup to wash off your armpit odor? When did you wake from your barbarian dreamland? Go on singing along with your ‘garbage song’ and just be careful not let the garbage dump on your own head.

-Prince China

8:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What a shame, CNN, BBC, RTL and N-TV! Biased liars!

9:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If this is all true and not Chinese govt propaganda, why is the Chinese govt not letting the western media in and why are all medias I hear - not CNN and others saying the same - China is oppressing the people in Tibet.

Tibet belongs to Tibetans! Long live minority nationalities.

9:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

America belongs to native Indians! White people pack your stuff and go back to Europe! Long live native Indians!

10:19 PM  
Anonymous Yb's fight against Stupidity said...

It is just mind-boggling to see that the self-professed Fair and Balanced Western media could stoop so low as to concoct lies to besmirch the image of China.

It is even more shocking to see that there are unwashed persons who would attempt to whitewash those indefensible acts of dishonesty by saying that it is OK for a FREE press to LIE FREELY.

Boy, these people, just when you think they cannot possibly be more ignorant, they would give you surprises. Shame on them. Shame!

11:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Chinese people are not wasteful. All Tibetian Protesters will be dispached to Post-Life with a single bullet in the head. PLA will then sell organs for transplant to raise revenue for Glorious Communist party.

12:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wouldn't be surprised if this website is sponsored by the chinese government.
I am reminded of Orwell's 1984.
If nothing happened in Tibet, and the Chinese military are innoccent, why does China not let the media in, so they can see for themselves?

2:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Both sides of the media lie for whatever reasons. Some aer political, others are co-orporational, whilst others are genuinely mis-informed or sensationalist.

You are bias, there are holes in your argument (posted above). There is also truth. I am certain that if you search every story and article for holes you will find them.

Quote from the recently unblocked BBC website;

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7312240.stm

"This week the Chinese government has arranged a trip for foreign media organisations to Tibet - but the BBC's request to be included was rejected."

How will western media be deemed to be 'honest' if Chinese government chooses who gets to go?

A picture speaks a thousand words this clearly is true. And I think many are still missing. The more sources of information you are provided with the more honest the others have to become.

3:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you for posting all the pictures. It's good to know how the media can sometimes play little tricks.

However, I do not think we should shut our eyes and ears on the western media and rely solely on any single media. As a Chinese, we should be open to both sides of the argument and think independently and reflectively about the issue. We should never be blind to only one side.

If we close our channels to the outside world, we will never progress and learn.

Fellow Chinese, we can do it!

4:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Am I a 2 year old?
I have witnessed: how most of US and Western media (Oh yap! you are there!) in Iraq and made twisted reports and turned “freedom fighter” into “terrorists” to justify the killing of innocent women and children; then blamed the Arabic medias lie …. bla bla
The fact is: the truth is only taken by the individuals who want to accept.

What should I say? Without ever been living in China yet you feel free to underestimate every Chinese’s inner justice and integrity. It doesn’t take you to teach a Chinese to see what is fair or unjust. Beside Safety Issue, a “shit brush” attitude would only pour oil on fire.

I had the pleasure to grow up with a Tibetan native girl; I have once asked her when we met each other in London. I asked her: ‘During your childhood and time of growing up to an adult, have I or have any other ‘Han’ ever abused you in anyway?
She was upset and responded to me: ‘What are you talking about? Never! ...’

So I ask you the same question to those Non-Han Native Chinese who grown up in China. Have any Han person or Government ever been personally abused you?
If the heart touch answer is “No” then I shall ask: Why suddenly the Western Daddy is so just and loving to you? Please do not forget that you are just another ‘third world trash’ to them. The reality is, no matter what you feel with (the term ‘under Chinese’), I guarantee you shall feel worth if your western daddy able to get their hands on your local resources and divide your power; to be financially and morally depend on them.

I do not have to give you too many examples, there are plenty out there, it just need your intelligence… I shall think that you have that!?

Any government would use propaganda, even yours, whoever that is.

Respond: - ‘Tibet belongs to Tibetans! Long live minority nationalities’ …
I certainly support you for that, it is just you need to be careful for the outcome, not to become the bullet for somebody else’s gun.

For this:
‘… The Chinese people are not wasteful. All Tibetan Protesters will be dispached to Post-Life with a single bullet in the head. PLA will then sell organs for transplant to raise revenue for Glorious Communist party’ …
What can I say to this? It is only come from a barbarian’s mind!

PS: On ‘You Tube’ website, there was a Mongolian “Chinese hater” said that: they are not being treated well by the local people (white) in Vienna; wanted to go back to Mongolian, to have, as their friends (back home) expressed ‘the natural pleasure’ of ‘fuck horse and goat’ and he thought that would be a better thing than living in Austria ... Do I need to say more?

-Prince china

6:17 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is this Irony ??? It's fair enough to accuse those countries of a bad news coverage. Obviously the BBC, the german and american news were using the same sources, thus they all might broadcast the same story. Maybe in this case it has been incorrect but the connection to WW II and Hitler is just outrageous and proves that the writer itself has no idea about history and modern day politics. This blog entry is just a polemic piece of crap.

6:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Those shitty westerners couldn't be too happy that the yellow peril is coming towards them like a Tsunami. Whether they like it or not, the Chinese are swarmping them and throtling them with their economic might that see not only their soft power but in the next 20 yrs the hard power which they dred. They do all this in vain to stop China. On 08/08/08, you will see the Glory of Chinese Civilisation.

When China Naval Power was in her might in the 15th century where her warship was at least 300 meters long and carry 30,000 troops, she never colonise any Asian or African countries but spread Chinese soft power of trade and culture. But the puny Christopher Columbus fleet of few hundred sailors spread terror and colonise the us.

Chinese Power in 21st century is God ordained for the benefit of mankind. You will see the Glory and magnaminity of Chinese superior civilisation compare against the cruel Japanese and the colonising westerners.

You know what we in Singapore do to Uncle Sam. We caned his backside and sent him back to Warshington. Then they repected us tiny Singapore and learnt to kowtow to us.

7:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shame on You! The western propaganda machines!

7:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You Go! My Singapore Brother!

7:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Compared to small and unsignificant countries like Serbia, which was and still is demonised by the west in the very same manner discribed on this site, China is big, powerfull and significant. Hit them where it hurds them most... M O N E Y! Does china realy need al the imports from the West... does China realy need the Germany vechicle manufacturers... Let VW do the lobbiing with there goverment. Maybe, it will become more important to the German goverment to have good relations with the potentially largest market of the World than to act as a American humbeld servent.

8:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The religion should'nt involve in politic, if it mess up together, it's always caused problem for the last 5000 years in China. And the western media understood it and try to use it as headliner!

9:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

CREATE A REVOLUTION ABOUT THIS

Everyone should submit this to all the sites at http://www.socialmarker.com

I have already submitted it to twenty sites. Please at the very least look up the anti-cnn.com/index2.html on DIGG.com and DIGG my submission.

Thanks
Sam
http://www.chinesesym.com

9:58 AM  
Blogger Natalija said...

Thank You.Well done!The same lies they use against us in Serbia.Greetings for our friends in China!!!

10:14 AM  
Blogger Schmeichelinho said...

yesterday Kosovo, today Tibet, i hope tomorrow California, Texas, Northern Ireland....

11:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No doubt , Kosovo started one new, very dangerous process.
I have to mention that all western
'peace warriors' forgot what happened just 4 years ago in Kosovo.
Monasteries are destroyed, and over
non Albanian population ethnic cleansing was done in presence of western armies on Kosovo.
Now , that Kosovo is independent.
Stability ? USA can provide stability, only if they stop invading entire world!

11:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The real problem is the Dalai Lama, wanting his feudal empire back, so that Tibetans can be return to squalor, and he is using the Western countries to do this.
Ian

11:33 AM  
Blogger Allan said...

I am British I had been fed the lies of the western media all my life, I first realised how much the western media lies 8 years ago when I first visited China.
Nothing they had reported about China was true, great country great people and with as many if not more freedom than people in the west.

11:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

CNN is the biggest bias news media, creating distorted news to help their own business, not reporting the facts.

12:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The same Lies hapeend to Serbia
1990-1999 and its still going on!
compliment for the side!

2:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

just tiny part of hypocritical side of western mediam.

they should keep their mouths shut up and keep their homes in order

3:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh No! Of course you should say, say anything! as shockingly as possible! What if the super powered position one day to be replaced?
Oh yes! Go on to every country and teach them how to be a democratic nation….. More you do more the world is better!? As it now… how wonderful!
Everything should be under the Western Christian idealistic cultural domination?!

3:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stop killing tibetians and tibetian culture! whether wrong western press or not. for a free tibet! for a boycott of every democratic country of the inauguration of the innocent olympic spirit captured by a state of terror an death.

4:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i like china but i do not like the political system of repression - most death penalties all over the world. hard way against the own people. compassion for every repressed person all over the world. change is harder than stagnancy.

4:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

western people get informed about the more or less big mistakes of their politics or media concerns.

Do the chinese know these about theirs (Tianmen massacre/Tibet/Great Leap Forward)???

4:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The challenge is we have to spread the truth faster than CNN, BBC...

5:56 PM  
Blogger wu said...

We should send this message to their goverment website to let more people get to know the truth.

6:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Funny that the biggest liars in the known universe is described as reliable knowledge sources. China is the biggest manipulator and editor of news and history. They completely control the media in and around their country using any means to get the chinese population to hear only what they say. The past history is as changed as they can make it so now they are attacking current events to change history in real-time. Falun Dafa are violent terrorists, Taiwan and Tibet are chinese, what will they try to say next. They have even tried to intimidate countries and venues showing a traditional chinese thaetre production that doesn't praise the non-existant virtues of the Chinese government. The western media lies, there is no doubt about that, as does the Chinese government and media. The difference is that the western media has also been know to tell the truth.
Believe whatever propoganda you want, Just don't try to tell me of the innocence of the Chinese Government.

7:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All this is empty.

Your images and explanations are classic communist manipulation and nothing new from supporters of Chines dictatorship and their occupation force in Tibet. What ever happened in day 1 is because 1) Chinese should not be in Tibet in first place 2) You committed many crimes in Tibet in past 60 years 3) government in mainland Chine is not democratically elected 4) you are ethnically cleansing Tibet of Tibetans and settling in Han people... Shame on you all!

7:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just look at this Time article: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1725650,00.html

There's a link to the anti-CNN website (denoted by special website) but when I click on it, it says the page has been removed! Looks like they have realized that it was a mistake to place the anti-CNN website link there; certainly not when anti-CNN will expose their lies!

7:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Do the chinese know these about theirs (Tianmen massacre/Tibet/Great Leap Forward)???"

I believe there are millions of Chinese that not just know about the events you have mentioned but they actually experienced and yet they still love their country and support their government. So how did you know about those events? did you have the first hand experience, witness the events or you are simply a sucker that takes whatever the media in the west tells you??

7:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I*m from Serbia!And That kind of manipulation is used over a 15 years against Serbien nation.They have a clishe of creating hot zones.The western media is full of shit!

7:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"western people get informed about the more or less big mistakes of their politics or media concerns. "

The western Media and government of the United States informed the public about the "Gulf of Tonkin" incidence 40+ years ago. And 40 years later, in 2005 they came out and said..oops we lied about the whole incidence. http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB132/press20051201.htm

You were informed but just not with the right information.

Peace!

7:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Check this out:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fbf_1194543006
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fed_1194544321
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f46_1194543642

This is how westeners are telling the truth.

8:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let me respond to this:
… ‘western people get informed about the more or less big mistakes of their politics or media concerns.
Do the chinese know these about theirs (Tianmen massacre/Tibet/Great Leap Forward)???’…

and to this comment:
‘ ……… Believe whatever propoganda you want, Just don't try to tell me of the innocence of the Chinese Government.’…

You made me ‘quite shamed’ of my Chinese-self. You seem to know more China than we do?!
I guess that as Chinese we just need you to come out to tell us the real “truth” then...

Listen to yourself and how arrogant you are! You forgot the fact we came here to talk about this current issue not because we know less than you do.
In reality, if we are all stupid as you might think then we would not bother to be here. Isn’t it?

Do not forget, we are not here to defending any government! But you can’t say that we have no rights to point out the ‘twisted’ reports and “tricks”. If so then we are defending the Chinese government… bla bla can’t you hear yourself?

We know what we have been through in the past and we certainly do not need you to speak for us!
As a descendent of old Chinese aristocracy, both side of my grandfathers and uncles have died in jail in the past, so you don’t tell me how I should think? Yet, you are just not qualified to talk about my country and my people. That is just an insult to my ancestor’s spirit.

After all, talk is cheap. However, if, your bourgeois sense is as tough as your words. Then we shall see in the end of day and tomorrow.
A few simple questions:
1) Beside the fact that you felt “lucky’” inside for the fact you are never going to be a Chinese in this lifetime, what else make you feel good about your life; Is your democratic-/free press helping you to pay the monthly (minimum) credit card debt?.
2) What you would do in such time, as, how did you described? ... Aa! ... as …‘(Tianmen massacre/Tibet/Great Leap Forward)???’ …? I bet that you would be quite a smart man and fight for your idealism (if you have any)!

No pity, but just go on and say what you need to say then get lost.

8:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shame on the western media. Thanks for opening this website:)

8:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

people in the west are so arrogant. what do you know about China? what do you know about Tibet?

8:48 PM  
Blogger Kakei said...

Check what the British "free press" did in Bosnia:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=gXbqnULfIXc

Exactly the kind of stuff that China wants to prevent from happening, so no media inside Tibet cause they'll only report what they think is the truth.

8:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Tibet is China, why did the PLA arrive in Tibet with guns? Is this how any country deals with it's own citizens? A good test of good governance, no matter where we look, is how a government treats it's own people. Sorry for the people caught up in this on either side. Hatred will never solve any issue. Destruction of cultures, monuments, statues, buildings, no matter how, no matter where, causes grief and pain. If China agreed to let those it regards as "Chinese" practice in an atmosphere of peace, there could be less problems for all. There is no threat to China. Why behave like there is?

9:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All those riots in France last year were shown like a fight between police and hooligans. WTF?!?!? But, in China's case it is a hoologan state against "fine young protesters". Can someone tell me, what western state did not use force agains "peacefull" protesters?

9:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

After talking to my Canadian friends about CNN's lying, they are not surprised, saying "CNN often lies".

why we trust CNN more than native people of North America?

9:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great platform for discussion.


-peace.

http://www.pcinfinite.com

9:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

canada CTV news put nepal video in the interview of chinese embassy officer,,shame on them..
ALSO goble mail..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4BxIqI1LY4

9:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello all Chinese brothers all over the world. It is the same everywhere in the world. The westerners when they have their guns and we dont have then, they burnt, kill, rape and pillage us. They use gun boat policy to force us to sign unequal treaties.

From our Chinese civilisation of 5000 yrs history, but we live in the dark ages for 300 yrs because of the Manchu rule from 1644 to 1911. The famous national shame against our Chinese Nation is the remarks "Dogs and Chinese Not Allowed In A Shanghai Park" during the foreigner occupation in China. We invented the gun powder, the compass, paper, printing press and thousand others. But we use gunpowder for fire crackers.

Now is the awakening of the Giant and Napoleon saw the peril of the awaken giant (CHINA)not because that she will harm others but because that will be the end of western supramecy.

Dont be afraid of us Chinese. In fact when China is the Super Power, you can live peacefully and trade with everyone because all Chinese is a trader & capitalist in blood. Just like fishes in water especially in commerce and trade.

You dont see gunboat policy, unlike the westerners. The last 2 centuries of western dominion is over. Be of good cheer, what is all this hype, one single dynasty in China is sometimes 300 yrs. The next 50 yrs and beyond is a CHINESE CENTURY. THEY WESTERNERS WILL KOWTOW to us CHINESE. But dont worry, we wont rape your women even you shift your beautiful ass to us, neither we burnt your houses or pillage your land. For we Chinese are a very civilised race of superior culture who believe in GentleMan in our Confucianist upbringing. It is the phyche of the Chinese Nation and we are proud of it. Be it in Singapore where I live or in the ghettos of South Africa. You can see chinese in any remote corners of the Earth doing business and they dont participate in rally or rebellion against any goverment but just do their own thing and to prosper through through hard work, deligence and education. They are alway the top in education in any country in the world. You see the data of top British or American universities. It is always the Chinese, or anywhere else on earth.

You just wait and see how the Chinese will trounce the rest of the westerners in this Olympic and see the glory of the Chinese Nation through their grit and determination as this qualities of Chineseness is groomed from birth in all Chinese through their culture throughout all ages.

10:43 PM  
Anonymous yb's fight against Stupidity said...

China must rise up as quickly as possible. Only when we are strong enough will the West stop trashing us with lies and more lies. We've had enough. When the time comes, we need to strike back. Abide our time while rising up economically and militarily.

This requires conscious effort and determination on the part of each and every Chinese national. Be proud of our country and our people and stand up against Wester bullies.

11:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

AND WHO LIE ABOUT HUMANS RIGHTS IN TIBET; OF COURSE THIS IS THE CHINA! FOR ALWAYS!!!!!!

11:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We all know what is `bad` marketing for the country. Keep it up !
Greetings from Macedonia

11:59 PM  
Anonymous BB said...

@disenchanted

It doesn't matter what german people think, what matters is the government. And when someone says Nazi, they usually refer to the government.

The western media is there to spread propaganda. Just like the propaganda behind the Yugoslav wars, propaganda about the war in Iraq and so on..

Germany is pro-Tibet, but only because of their own interests. Dalai Lama is very close with Germany, especially close to his top adviser who is a Nazi and was Hitlers friend and a follower!
Germany has a 100 year old plan to control the world. Since they failed by using force on other countries twice, they've altered the plan a little. Now they cause internal conflitcs in countries! Divide and conquer!! Just like they backed Croatia(germany's puppet state in WWII) in 1990, now they're backing Tibet! They are experts when it comes to causing trouble - they are aware that it's easy to stir trouble between ethnic groups where history's involved.

History repeats itself!!! It's repeating itself right before your eyes and you refuse to believe it! Germany likes power, they don't care about human rights. Germany will attempt to realise the old dream from WWI and WWII!

To conclude - the west wants to chop up China into little pieces and destabilise it. Remeber the west is a superpower they don't want China overtaking.. internal problems in China are crucial for the west to remain the superpower..

greeting from down under!!

BB

12:40 AM  
Blogger aben said...

I am a Chinese but still am a foreigner because i was not born in China. I'd seen myself how the Chinese government is doing a good job all over the country for all China citizens whether they're Han tribe or minorities. Infact, minority tribes are much well treated in term of concession. Yes, do not belief what the newspapers reported especially from the western countries. They will have their own agenda such as readership(to stay profitable), reporting more on harms to others but not themselves(politiking). As far as the western press is concerned, words can deceit so can picture! Support your government, they are doing a very good job though there might be some black sheeps there, they are and will be brought to answer for the wrongs that they'd done to the nation...China will stand and will stand tall and so will we all Chinese...

12:54 AM  
Blogger Taikor said...

I am glad that more and more people have come out to denounce the gross injustice done to the Chinese people.

I am a Malaysian-born Chinese and I FULLY support the Chinese government on this issue. I also support the movement to expose the lies and distortion of truths in western media.

What the western media did were tantamount to ATTACKING China! This is WAR!

Let us stand united in solidarity on this issue. We should confront these liars! They make a scene everywhere as if our motherland was deprived of humanity. How about we do the same on them?! Let us also back the "anti-CNN movement" to expose the LIES of western media! Let us swell the membership and join the movement!

As much as they would like to confront us with moral issues, we can also confront them for making gross distortions in their news report! We should also expose their hypocrisy in the other issues! Make no mistake, we will not back down until they apologised and most importantly, CHANGED their way of reporting about us!

1:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are the best, thank you. Just show to that idiots wht's the truth. They are also creating enormous lies for my homecountry Serbia on the same base as they are only weapon in new Hitlers hands. Recently, Albanians there burned up 200 churchis as they where supported and covered by Nato and CNN and BBC said only "a couple" because Nato is creating the their own state in South Europe killing houndred of thousends Serbs in the name of New World Order. The truth must WIN, but CNN and BBC are on the wrong way.
All greatinds to this blog.

KOSOVO IS SERBIA!
TIBET IS CHINA!

1:09 AM  
Blogger Я3S!S7AИC3 said...

Whoever created this blog : THANK YOU VERY MUCH ! Finally somebody kicked the western lies in the butt !! great work people !! go on and decrypt their lies !!!

2:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What do you expect from the western media? Look at how they report the situation in Palestine and make Israel out to be the victim when it is the occupier of Palestinian land !

2:46 AM  
Anonymous patrick (german) said...

I strongly agree with you that our western papers (f.ex. germans) often do bad investigation about what they are writing - but most people know about those papers with bad writing - Bild or Spiegel for ex. - I would never believe in that what those papers are writing..

So we still have other papers with a little bit more serious reporting. But can you tell me - which way is really serious? Media, also your blogg is always just a cut out of the reality, mostly a personal opinion.
So in a way we can choose between the different kinds of reporting - do you? Can you choose the information you wanna get??
Of course our western way is not the best - but is it better just banning most of the infomations?

Interested if my words will come through your filters.. :)

"He who sets safety over freedom deserves to be a slave!" (Aristoteles)

2:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

once i thought western media would not lie.once i thought western media respect the truth……

these western media disappointed me!

2:58 AM  
Anonymous patrick (german) said...

To Palestina: Nobody says that just one of them ist the victim - we just try to say that both have same rights - also Palestine should be able to form their own state!
Should have been done years ago when Israel was built up..

Equal rights for everybody!
No repression for no one - neither palestine, israelis, chinese nor tibetan.

2:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you so much for creating a place where people can see more clearly.

Human's lives are and precious and equal, when those mobs were burning civilians, will it be a responsible government if Chinese government had done nothing to stop it!

3:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It seems most in the world are not as gullible a some western media like them to be as the UN rights council doesn't fall for the western media's lies.

Funny to see how this AFP 'reporter' tries to denigrate the African & Asian nations who make up the council.
Notice also instead of simply reporting the facts, he uses the term 'untouchable' for the title which I believe is related to the mafia etc.
I wonder how much time this guy spent before thinking up this term. :)


http://news.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNews/Asia/Story/A1Story20080327-56519.html

China remains untouchable by UN rights council

None of council's resolutions will mention Tibet. -AFP

Thu, Mar 27, 2008
AFP

GENEVA - CHINA remains untouchable by the UN Human Rights Council, with Beijing to emerge unscathed from the current session despite widespread criticism of its crackdown in Tibet, activists and diplomats say.

The Council, which ends its four-week long session on Friday, will begin adopting a series of resolutions on Thursday, none of which will mention the situation in Tibet.

Although the Council held special sessions on small countries such as Israel and Myanmar, Beijing evaded any special attention to its response to the protests against Chinese rule in Tibet that have left, according to Tibet's government-in-exile, some 140 people dead.

During Tuesday's meeting in Geneva, the European Union, the United States, Switzerland, Australia and Canada made declarations about the situation in Tibet.

However, none of the 47 states that sit on the Council put forward a resolution on the issue, nor was any request made for a special session on Tibet.

'Only three countries told us that they are ready to support the idea of a special session on Tibet,' said Ms Julie Gromellon of the International Federation for Human Rights.

Even those few declarations on the issue were met with repeated interruptions from China's representative, with the president of the Council supporting China's point that the session was not meant to be focused on the situation in a single country.

'Large countries are untouchables in the Council,' Human Rights Watch spokesman Julie de Rivero told AFP.

The 47-member Council, with its 13 African and 13 Asian members, was created in June 2006 to replace the old UN Human Rights Commission, which had been criticised for having no bite.

However, observers note that the new body appears to have no teeth either.

'China was untouchable by the Human Rights Commission, it remains untouchable by the Council,' said Ms de Rivero.

The International Federation for Human Rights' Ms Gromellon noted that 'China managed to exert pressure, even the Council president interrupted NGOs' which focused their speeches on Tibet.

'The Council operates on double standards,' charged Mr Ngawang Choephel from Tibetan UN Advocacy.

A European diplomat said that even before Tuesday's session, China's ambassador had asked the Europeans to drop their declaration.

'The economic might of China counts, but also its political engagement, notably in Africa,' said the diplomat.

China has over the past few years increased its purchase of raw materials from and investment into African countries, while pointedly avoiding putting political pressure their leaders.

Beijing's reluctance to put pressure on Sudanese leaders has been viewed as a major handicap to international efforts to bring about a peaceful resolution to the crisis in Darfur.

While NGOs remain critical over the lack of action taken by the Council, Western countries appear to be satisfied with what they have done so far on the issue.

Ambassador Andrej Logar of Slovenia, which currently holds the EU's rotating presidency, said the EU's message is 'significant' and was made at the right time.

'We have made a very clear declaration, showing that what is happening in Tibet is not acceptable for the European Union,' he said.

'The intervention is a process, not a destination. We have told the Chinese that we will be very careful observers on what is going on in Tibet,' he added.

The EU on Tuesday urged 'the Chinese authorities to refrain from using force against those involved in unrest and call on demonstrators to desist from violence.'

US Ambassador Warren Tichenor said the United States is 'deeply troubled by the reports in recent weeks of violence, arrests and loss of life stemming from what began as peaceful protests in Lhasa.'

4:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's another good one about CIA being the one who pulls the strings of the DL.

http://atimes.com/atimes/China/JC26Ad02.html
Mar 26, 2008

Tibet, the 'great game' and the CIA
By Richard M Bennett

Given the historical context of the unrest in Tibet, there is reason to believe Beijing was caught on the hop with the recent demonstrations for the simple reason that their planning took place outside of Tibet and that the direction of the protesters is similarly in the hands of anti-Chinese organizers safely out of reach in Nepal and northern India.

Similarly, the funding and overall control of the unrest has also been linked to Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama, and by inference to the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) because of his close cooperation with US intelligence for over 50 years.

Indeed, with the CIA's deep involvement with the Free Tibet Movement and its funding of the suspiciously well-informed Radio Free Asia, it would seem somewhat unlikely that any revolt could



have been planned or occurred without the prior knowledge, and even perhaps the agreement, of the National Clandestine Service (formerly known as the Directorate of Operations) at CIA headquarters in Langley.

Respected columnist and former senior Indian Intelligence officer, B Raman, commented on March 21 that "on the basis of available evidence, it was possible to assess with a reasonable measure of conviction" that the initial uprising in Lhasa on March 14 "had been pre-planned and well orchestrated".

Could there be a factual basis to the suggestion that the main beneficiaries to the death and destruction sweeping Tibet are in Washington? History would suggest that this is a distinct possibility.

The CIA conducted a large scale covert action campaign against the communist Chinese in Tibet starting in 1956. This led to a disastrous bloody uprising in 1959, leaving tens of thousands of Tibetans dead, while the Dalai Lama and about 100,000 followers were forced to flee across the treacherous Himalayan passes to India and Nepal.

The CIA established a secret military training camp for the Dalai Lama's resistance fighters at Camp Hale near Leadville, Colorado, in the US. The Tibetan guerrillas were trained and equipped by the CIA for guerrilla warfare and sabotage operations against the communist Chinese.

The US-trained guerrillas regularly carried out raids into Tibet, on occasions led by CIA-contract mercenaries and supported by CIA planes. The initial training program ended in December 1961, though the camp in Colorado appears to have remained open until at least 1966.

The CIA Tibetan Task Force created by Roger E McCarthy, alongside the Tibetan guerrilla army, continued the operation codenamed ST CIRCUS to harass the Chinese occupation forces for another 15 years until 1974, when officially sanctioned involvement ceased.

McCarthy, who also served as head of the Tibet Task Force at the height of its activities from 1959 until 1961, later went on to run similar operations in Vietnam and Laos.

By the mid-1960s, the CIA had switched its strategy from parachuting guerrilla fighters and intelligence agents into Tibet to establishing the Chusi Gangdruk, a guerrilla army of some 2,000 ethnic Khamba fighters at bases such as Mustang in Nepal.

This base was only closed down in 1974 by the Nepalese government after being put under tremendous pressure by Beijing.
After the Indo-China War of 1962, the CIA developed a close relationship with the Indian intelligence services in both training and supplying agents in Tibet.

Kenneth Conboy and James Morrison in their book The CIA's Secret War in Tibet disclose that the CIA and the Indian intelligence services cooperated in the training and equipping of Tibetan agents and special forces troops and in forming joint aerial and intelligence units such as the Aviation Research Center and Special Center.

This collaboration continued well into the 1970s and some of the programs that it sponsored, especially the special forces unit of Tibetan refugees which would become an important part of the Indian Special Frontier Force, continue into the present.

Only the deterioration in relations with India which coincided with improvements in those with Beijing brought most of the joint CIA-Indian operations to an end.

Though Washington had been scaling back support for the Tibetan guerrillas since 1968, it is thought that the end of official US backing for the resistance only came during meetings between president Richard Nixon and the Chinese communist leadership in Beijing in February 1972.

Victor Marchetti, a former CIA officer has described the outrage many field agents felt when Washington finally pulled the plug, adding that a number even "[turned] for solace to the Tibetan prayers which they had learned during their years with the Dalai Lama".

The former CIA Tibetan Task Force chief from 1958 to 1965, John Kenneth Knaus, has been quoted as saying, "This was not some CIA black-bag operation." He added, "The initiative was coming from ... the entire US government."

In his book Orphans of the Cold War, Knaus writes of the obligation Americans feel toward the cause of Tibetan independence from China. Significantly, he adds that its realization "would validate the more worthy motives of we who tried to help them achieve this goal over 40 years ago. It would also alleviate the guilt some of us feel over our participation in these efforts, which cost others their lives, but which were the prime adventure of our own."

Despite the lack of official support it is still widely rumored that the CIA were involved, if only by proxy, in another failed revolt in October 1987, the unrest that followed and the consequent Chinese repression continuing till May 1993.

The timing for another serious attempt to destabilize Chinese rule in Tibet would appear to be right for the CIA and Langley will undoubtedly keep all its options open.

China is faced with significant problems, with the Uighur Muslims in Xinjiang province; the activities of the Falun Gong among many other dissident groups and of course growing concern over the security of the Summer Olympic Games in August.

China is viewed by Washington as a major threat, both economic and military, not just in Asia, but in Africa and Latin America as well.

The CIA also views China as being "unhelpful" in the "war on terror", with little or no cooperation being offered and nothing positive being done to stop the flow of arms and men from Muslim areas of western China to support Islamic extremist movements in Afghanistan and Central Asian states.

To many in Washington, this may seem the ideal opportunity to knock the Beijing government off balance as Tibet is still seen as China's potential weak spot.

The CIA will undoubtedly ensure that its fingerprints are not discovered all over this growing revolt. Cut-outs and proxies will be used among the Tibetan exiles in Nepal and India's northern border areas.

Indeed, the CIA can expect a significant level of support from a number of security organizations in both India and Nepal and will have no trouble in providing the resistance movement with advice, money and above all, publicity.

However, not until the unrest shows any genuine signs of becoming an open revolt by the great mass of ethnic Tibetans against the Han Chinese and Hui Muslims will any weapons be allowed to appear.

Large quantities of former Eastern bloc small arms and explosives have been reportedly smuggled into Tibet over the past 30 years, but these are likely to remain safely hidden until the right opportunity presents itself.

The weapons have been acquired on the world markets or from stocks captured by US or Israeli forces. They have been sanitized and are deniable, untraceable back to the CIA.

Weapons of this nature also have the advantage of being interchangeable with those used by the Chinese armed forces and of course use the same ammunition, easing the problem of resupply during any future conflict.

Though official support for the Tibetan resistance ended 30 years ago, the CIA has kept open its lines of communications and still funds much of the Tibetan Freedom movement.

So is the CIA once again playing the "great game" in Tibet?

It certainly has the capability, with a significant intelligence and paramilitary presence in the region. Major bases exist in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan and several Central Asian states.

It cannot be doubted that it has an interest in undermining China, as well as the more obvious target of Iran.

So the probable answer is yes, and indeed it would be rather surprising if the CIA was not taking more than just a passing interest in Tibet. That is after all what it is paid to do.

Since September 11, 2001, there has been a sea-change in US Intelligence attitudes, requirements and capabilities. Old operational plans have been dusted off and updated. Previous assets re-activated. Tibet and the perceived weakness of China's position there will probably have been fully reassessed.

For Washington and the CIA, this may seem a heaven-sent opportunity to create a significant lever against Beijing, with little risk to American interests; simply a win-win situation.

The Chinese government would be on the receiving end of worldwide condemnation for its continuing repression and violation of human rights and it will be young Tibetans dying on the streets of Lhasa rather than yet more uniformed American kids.

The consequences of any open revolt against Beijing, however, are that once again the fear of arrest, torture and even execution will pervade every corner of both Tibet and those neighboring provinces where large Tibetan populations exist, such as Gansu, Qinghai and Sichuan.

And the Tibetan Freedom movement still has little likelihood of achieving any significant improvement in central Chinese policy in the long run and no chance whatever of removing its control of Lhasa and their homeland.

Once again it would appear that the Tibetan people will find themselves trapped between an oppressive Beijing and a manipulative Washington.

Beijing sends in the heavies
The fear that the United States, Britain and other Western states may try to portray Tibet as another Kosovo may be part of the reason why the Chinese authorities reacted as if faced with a genuine mass revolt rather than their official portrayal of a short-lived outbreak of unrest by malcontents supporting the Dalai Lama.

Indeed, so seriously did Beijing view the situation that a special security coordination unit, the 110 Command Center, has been established in Lhasa with the primary objective of suppressing the disturbances and restoring full central government control.

The center appears to be under the direct control of Zhang Qingli, first secretary of the Tibet Party and a President Hu Jintao loyalist. Zhang is also the former Xinjiang deputy party secretary with considerable experience in counter-terrorism operations in that region.

Others holding important positions in Lhasa are Zhang Xinfeng, vice minister of the Central Public Security Ministry and Zhen Yi, deputy commander of the People's Armed Police Headquarters in Beijing.

The seriousness with which Beijing is treating the present unrest is further illustrated by the deployment of a large number of important army units from the Chengdu Military Region, including brigades from the 149th Mechanized Infantry Division, which acts as the region's rapid reaction force.

According to a United Press International report, elite ground force units of the People's Liberation Army were involved in Lhasa, and the new T-90 armored personnel carrier and T-92 wheeled armored vehicles were deployed. According to the report, China has denied the participation of the army in the crackdown, saying it was carried out by units of the armed police. "Such equipment as mentioned above has never been deployed by China's armed police, however."

Air support is provided by the 2nd Army Aviation Regiment, based at Fenghuangshan, Chengdu, in Sichuan province. It operates a mix of helicopters and STOL transports from a frontline base near Lhasa. Combat air support could be quickly made available from fighter ground attack squadrons based within the Chengdu region.
The Xizang Military District forms the Tibet garrison, which has two mountain infantry units; the 52nd Brigade based at Linzhi and the 53rd Brigade at Yaoxian Shannxi. These are supported by the 8th Motorized Infantry Division and an artillery brigade at Shawan, Xinjiang.

Tibet is also no longer quite as remote or difficult to resupply for the Chinese army. The construction of the first railway between 2001 and 2007 has significantly eased the problems of the movement of large numbers of troops and equipment from Qinghai onto the rugged Tibetan plateau.

Other precautions against a resumption of the long-term Tibetan revolts of previous years has led to a considerable degree of self-sufficiency in logistics and vehicle repair by the Tibetan garrison and an increasing number of small airfields have been built to allow rapid-reaction units to gain access to even the most remote areas.

The Chinese Security Ministry and intelligence services had been thought to have a suffocating presence in the province and indeed the ability to detect any serious protest movement and suppress resistance.

Richard M Bennett, intelligence and security consultant, AFI Research.

(Copyright 2008 Richard M Bennett.)

4:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This blog is a means of people expressing what's on their minds...right?? You may have your say in an unrestricted way... without any consequences. Can you do that in China or Tibet.... do you have freedom of speech??? Why would you do such a typical westerner's thing if you damn the US and Europe. This way of thinking and a lot of the posts in this blog are contradictory.

4:39 AM  
Blogger [slawko] said...

China people, get your hands off the Tibet... Right now it's irrelevant if these news are manipulated or not. You should not be there in the first place.
YOU are the invaders, YOU are wiping out their culture and religion, YOUR place is in China not in Tibet. Your presence there is unlawfully.
Western world is full of lies and hypocrisy, that's true but you, as the great nation with much longer history should be above that.
I hope you get rid of the comunist party some day and start over as a really free country.
In the meantime - I try to avoid products made in China as much as I can and I will recommend this to my friends. I don't want to pay for the stuff that is covered with a people's blood.

4:46 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tibet is Chinese, Taiwan is Chinese, the some as Bretagne(Brittany) is French, .

China it's the next world leader, whatever we like it or not.
China need only 20 years to fly ,and explore the space,. Just go China.Take what is yours .
YOu are absolutely right.Kick there ass, and make order .

5:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

.....Can you do that in China or Tibet.... do you have freedom of speech??? Why would you do such a typical westerner's thing if you damn the US and Europe. This way of thinking and a lot of the posts in this blog are contradictory.
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Another typical gullible western view. Ur governments let u make some criticisms, u think u have 'freedom'. Man, ur easy to fool. While ur governments continue to ignore ur 'views' & send ur young men to the meat-grinder in Iraq & enrich themselves in the process.
But no worries, u can continue to 'express ur views'. :)

5:20 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

....I will recommend this to my friends. I don't want to pay for the stuff that is covered with a people's blood.
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If that's the case, u won't have much left to buy anyway. :)

5:23 AM  
Blogger [slawko] said...

If that's the case, u won't have much left to buy anyway. :)
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I know that can be hard :o)
But hey, there's still Taiwan ;o)
And, cone on, you have to admit that most of the stuff from China is not of a good quality...

5:28 AM  
Blogger [slawko] said...

hmm... Taiwan belongs to China too :o)

5:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

...And, cone on, you have to admit that most of the stuff from China is not of a good quality...
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I see we have another one fooled by the western media. :)
Fortunately, the world is not nearly as gullible as China still have quite a nice surplus.

5:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I’ll respond to this:
‘… If China agreed to let those it regards as "Chinese" practice in an atmosphere of peace, there could be less problems for all. There is no threat to China. Why behave like there is?’…

You must live in a dream land.
I bet you never been to China either. Am I right? Am I right!

For all those people out there who think they have a privileged view on Chinese issues more than Chinese whom were born and living on that land, then you are dreaming!

You’ll wake up and don’t know where your next meals will come from.

Grow up! If you really care to talk about China, at least have a decency to take a 3 weeks trip or even live there for a year or so, then we shall talk on an equally base, instead of you think that you have the greatest position to talk about anything?! Just because…????... You have 6 fingers hand? …enlighten me!?

Meanwhile deal your own life troubles at home (where ever that is and help people there by truly put your principles in use).

Believe me, for centuries, with a cultural and tradition which uses GOD and Democracy as flag and justification to go around the world; by use both violence and political pressure to expand political control, grab as much natural resources as possible for their own capitalistic ambitions.

I have no doubt there going to be a greater fight over the new world’ power structure, you and I are just not going to be matter any more! All these argument shall be meaningless,
except - We as Chinese (not a government), got a chance to see what is your true face, under pressure…
After all, a 60- 70 years of current Chinese history is just a small drop of water in Chinese civilization. So please do not educate me on decency and morality! No such thing to you! Clearly, with 300 years slavery out of 400 years of ‘yesterday’ history, I shouldn’t think that you are stranger of these “darkness” as you mentioned.

As a Chinese old saying: Look into your own piss and see how pretty you are!

-Prince China

6:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For this 'Slawko':
What a couch potato talk, get back to you seat and eat something! You do not know what you are talking about. Read something after you gluttony pleasure!

6:34 AM  
Blogger Paca said...

brilliant job! thanks for letting the world know the truth!

7:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are actually lying. These are all lies.

I checked all these pictures on FoxNews and they do say the truth.
Protesters in Nepal are described as protesters in Nepal, not China
Indian police are dragging a protester in India, not China.

Learn how to lie a little less obvious.

7:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Westerners showed how much they appreciate the freedom of speech when they bombed the Serbian TV station back in 1999 and killed 16 media workers and journalists. This was all in the name of freedom of speech. At the same time, American and the other western journalists celebrated the killings, and poured champagne in that name.

So much for the freedom of speech

7:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bravo Srbine!

7:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hvala

8:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

mazing how people tend to compare apples with oranges. Western Media are bad. Fine with me. No objection! But the Western countries don't torture other people and cultures in a scale and most importantly in a way as China does. And now I am just waiting for some nice posts....

8:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"the Western countries don't torture other people and cultures..."

How memory is short... It's been only 60 years since a "Western country" killed 6 million Jews, because they are different, or only one year since the torture in Abu Graib was reviled to the world, (who knows how many more are there) let's not speak about the camp in Cuba, or killing civilians in Iraq or Afganistan - but hey they are only a collateral demage, that doesn't count!!! Don't forget the 2 million Vietnamese, or people from Laos etc.

Please look around you and come to your senses.

8:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But the Western countries don't torture other people and cultures in a scale and most importantly in a way as China does.

This is present tense. We are not talking about what horrible mistakes Germany, Russia or whatever country did 60 years ago. Its just not the topic in this blog. Everybody here will agree that this has been the major genocides in the past 100 years. So how about you looking around and coming to your senses on what is going on right now. The fact that civilians die in several countries of the world is bad enough but this doesn't give China the right to suppress and torture other countries these days. You can't justify an obvious injustice by referring to mistakes or mischief of western countries.. That wouldnt be prudent

8:43 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am german and join buddhist service every week. To call the Dalai Lama a terrorist is ridiculous. For sure western media are not always correct but you have the free choice to read, look and listen to many sources and believe what you want. Would be nice people in China would have the same freedom to inform their selves in a free press. They only get filtred bullshit, official censored by Peking and his kommunist leaders. Kommunism is nothing else than fascism painted in red !!

8:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Vous ne pouvez pas dire que les médias Européens donnent de mauvaises informations.
Nous, le Dalaï Lama on le respect tout comme on respecte la liberté des individus.

Maintenant, si vous avez un problème avec ça, allez voir votre psy !

9:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Obviously you didn't read my comment carefully... Nazi Germany is only the first on the list, but Abu Graibs of Iraq are still going on, Afghanistan and killing of innocent people there(collateral damage) is still going on. Guantamo Bay is still very operational. Regarding Vietnam, it happened 30 years ago, and of course, nobody in US mentioned that the killing of 2 million was a crime, but even today they justify it and celebrate it. Laos is never mentioned.

Don't tell me that "oh but that is so far behind us". No, it's not, because the same mindset still rules in the west.

Regarding the choice of what you read and listen to, just check how many internet sites were censored in the West during war against Serbia, Iraq, Afghanistan...

9:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As you see and could have read I am very aware what happened in the past AND also nowadays. I do not promote the Western Civilization nor do I show disrespect for other cultures as too many people do in their posts. You are right in pointing out Guantamo Bay and other examples. In fact too many western countries do not act to well. However, I think your point of view is pretty unidimensional as you just point out the mischief of western civilization (which is not the topic of this blog). If so your Criticism should be multidimensional. You as well might share your point of view on the blogs topic and be critical. The political action of China is not justified and criminal as the action of Western countries in former times and nowadays.

9:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As you see and could have read I am very aware what happened in the past AND also nowadays. I do not promote the Western Civilization nor do I show disrespect for other cultures as too many people do in their posts. You are right in pointing out Guantamo Bay and other examples. In fact too many western countries do not act to well. However, I think your point of view is pretty unidimensional as you just point out the mischief of western civilization (which is not the topic of this blog). If so your Criticism should be multidimensional. You as well might share your point of view on the blogs topic and be critical. The political action of China is not justified and criminal as the action of Western countries in former times and nowadays.

9:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is great that the CNN, BBC, and a host of other western media have shown the world how biased and double standrad they are in their reporting about the riot and terriorists activities in Lhasa arounf March 14. There is no fairness and ethics in their reporting. It is a shame that they still think that they could get away with their unethical cheats to the public. Isn't it great that we have the internet that can put the real picuture side by side to expose their bias and lies by the CNN, BBC and alike. Shame on them.

9:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe I sound unidimensional but the fact is that many western countries do not act too well. However your criticism of my post is that I'm missing the topic of this blog. I would strongly disagree with you, I'm actually sticking to the topic of this blog very much, as opposed to you. The topic of this blog is NOT the behavior of the Chinese government, but the lies in the Western media.

from now on I will sign my post with

G

10:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Respond to this one:
...' I am german and join buddhist service every week. ........ look and listen to many sources and believe what you want. Would be nice people in China would have the same freedom to inform their selves in a free press. They only get filtred bullshit, official censored by Peking and his kommunist leaders. Kommunism is nothing else than fascism painted in red !!...'

Clearly you have never been to China (can't you afford?) What you've expressed far from "enlightened". Too bad with your meditation it did not work well with you. GO TO CHINA! Take a look before you open your 'bullshit' mouth. That is a sincere advice to you and you sort... it is your lose if you can never step your foot on China and experience this greatest place on earth.

10:46 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you for doing this.
I have been in USA for more than 17 years. As American's Dad and husband, I like both China and USA. From what I know, American is very espectful people. They are nice, kind and smart. However, most of American don't have a lot of knowlegde about the world other than USA. All their information is from the media. That is not their fault. From what I saw during last 17 years in USA, the media, especially FOX and CNN, did a very bad job. Very simple example, Iraq! I am not surprise at what they are doing about China's Tebit. As matter fact, the issue was created by USA and Britsh 50 years ago, however, 99.9% of Western people will know that.

I support you! I love China.
I live in Kansas City area in USA.

11:21 AM  
Anonymous ElWesterner said...

:| As a Westerner i know that i should not trust every news and pictures in news media. But the point is, its no wonder that there are wrong news when tibet is sealed for reporters.

12:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is the same euro-atlantic agenda as in Kosovo, Serbia by using lies and fakes to manipulate the publicity for support of the separatists. Tibet is China, Kosovo is Serbia ! We have the same enemy and fight the same battle !!!

12:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

@ElWesterner,

The point is that if Tibet was not sealed for the reporters, the reporters would twist the news and report according to their agenda regardless of what is going on. And even then their lies would have more weight because, oh well, they are there and "seeing" what is going on.

Kosovo was not sealed for the reporters, and they twisted the news portraying the terrorists as innocent civilians, the drug lords as peaceful politicians, etc. Back in 1999 they reported over 100,000 deaths, even today, 9 years later the death count on both sides (Serbs and Albanian) is well under 5,000.

Remember the "embedded" journalists in Iraq, reporting only what US military wanted them to report. That is the western "freedom" of speech.

G

1:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Wall Street Journal on Wednesday March 26th, 2008 reports on "Chinese Taking Aim at Media Over Tibet" on its Page A6. However, the headline News on the first page which is supposed to direct readers to the report says "China's security chief criticized Tibetan Buddhist monks for Protests and said "patriotic education" classes at monasteries would be expanded".

The whole report is not about what a Chinese official said, but rather the truth that most Chinese feel angry about the western reports. But as everyone knows, busy people only read the headlines! The WSJ deliberately misleads its readers to believe the Chinese government oppressed a peaceful demonstration. As a student studies in the US, I feel really angry.

Actually, the first news report on the Tibet riot by CNN also used video shot in India and Nepal. I saw the news but did not make a record. It would help if anyone could provide a record of it.

Note, Washington Post and the Fox News have already changed the page this blog mentions. It might help to make it clear at this point.

Also some people say the mistakes made by media are because Chinese government throws reporters out of Tibet. But remember, under whatever circumstance, a responsible media should not use fake evidental documents to prove their points!

1:22 PM  
Anonymous Elwesterner said...

@ G

Another point is that i still trust the western news media more than a governmental controlled news machina.

We can't know what happens in Tibet but because china is sealing tibet and hardly censor it's news, i can only think they hide some very bad news.

Even if they now let some selected reporters in, no one can tell what happend during the last days in those sealed areas.

Also we could say the chinese news media is very anti-west (you only have to read this news post.)!

2:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

below is my reply to one of my western students' questions regarding tibet. I would like to share my thoughts with you . I hope (and as Chinese we must) we should spread truth to the people around us, though often we are misunderstood. we admit there are problems with current China and its government but at the same time we should be proud to be a chinese.
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About why China did not allow western journalists' stay in Tibet:
actually even in the Chinese mainland, the report on Tibetan riot was greatly downplayed by the government. My mum and brother even did not notice the news report and totally ignored the seriousness of the situation. I regret this greatly and blamed the Chinese government for not allowing more media freedom. But I later felt I was overwhelmed by my emotion as governments have so many more things to worry about than our individuals. Just to tell you that all the Han people overseas now (including me, my husband and Chinese friends) who know the riots, who know how Han Chinese were treated in Tibet feel deeply hurt, irritated. If you know about Chinese culture, you will understand how much preferential policies Tibetans (and ALL other minorities) enjoy as a state policy (contrary to what the westerners presume), but they certainly do not appreciate at all and they started the riot at such a critical moment of olympic-games year in China. A moment most Chinese are proud of, are longing for, are expecting (and have expected for more than eight years) to show to the world our progress, our development and our much improved living standards and happier life. So if all the Chinese people have free and easy access to what exactly is happening, do you think the Han people (seeing how some of us are being hacked and burnt to death) will stay and do nothing? If Han people know every story happening there, they will have revenge. And there will really be riots, chaos for the whole country. And can you imagine what disasters will happen to China and to the so much globalized world, if such ethnic hatred grows at an ever increasing speed? China will definitly stop development, will lag behind the world again and may even bring disaster to the world. So whether the so-called western 'freedom' and 'democracy' fit a populous country as China is a throny issue. And I believe freedom and democracy do not come so easily if every government in the world is to govern a 1.3 billion population but at the same time can guarantee such fast economic development and social stability.

I feel I am greatly disappointed by the western media, though not for the first time. I don't 100% believe unbiased reports will be given even if foreign journalists were allowed to stay in tibet. As many reports are clearly modified by western media on purpose. Pls refer to the link for another video clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSQnK5FcKas

My personal opinion to media is that never believe 100% in media whatever country you are in, they are tools for propoganda of the particular ideologies of the country. So people in the west usually think Chinese are brainwashed by their communist government and media, but at the same time, people in the west are no less brainwashed by their government, though in a much more subtle way. Because we are different, we start to have misunderstandings. so the best way to enhance mutual understanding is to increase personal mobility. If you are able to travel far, to communicate with people in other culture, you need not rely on any media and you can make a fair judgement. That is why more and more Chinese people now travel to western countries, to learn from them, to try to understand them. But at the same time, how many westerners are going to China, try to understand China with an open mind? Not at this moment but I guess the day will come soon as more people will try to cross borders and try to appreciate another culture.

2:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

@Elwesterner

I know that Chinese media is government controlled, but so is the western media. It's not a secret that CNN employed military psychological warfare specialists, both in preparation for the Kosovo bombing and for the Iraq war. (just google it, there is plenty information on this)

BTW. I'm a white Canadian, protestant, with no ties to Chinese community in Canada or elsewhere.

G

3:47 PM  

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